In what states will recounts be requested?

Danthemailman · Nov 7, 2020

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7thKeeper · Nov 7, 2020

LostMarbels said:
I am not running around hoops for you. It's not happening. Either shoot straight and have a conversation, or pat yourself on the back and crow. Why do I have to reiterate what we were discussing?

Well since you seem to be active on the forum again, I'll ask again because you must have had to leave before you were able to answer yesterday. I'll just quote myself here for convenience.

I've been quite straight with you. You just seem to keep switching between talking a out fraud and talking about mail in voting in general or the amounts of it, so I would like some clarity as to which you referred there.

So, once more, so that we don't end up "running around the hoops", as that was the one thing from my posts that you happened to not address in your answers, where is your evidence for wide spread fraud in in mail ballots? Not just claims of it, but evidence.

Because if you don't have it, dont claim it as fact.

LostMarbels · Nov 7, 2020

7thKeeper said:
I've been quite straight with you. You just seem to keep switching between talking a out fraud and talking about mail in voting in general or the amounts of it, so I would like some clarity as to which you referred there.

So, once more, so that we don't end up "running around the hoops", as that was the one thing from my posts that you happened to not address in your answers, where is your evidence for wide spread fraud in in mail ballots? Not just claims of it, but evidence.

Because if you don't have it, dont claim it as fact.

To be completely honest... how do you not know what is going on? You have the internet... you're on it right now. I just do not get this air of arrogance that people engaged with me, have to be spoon-feed all the information, and provide..... nothing. Nothing.

They do not have to put forth any effort whatsoever to just flippantly dismiss my effort.

If you do not even know about current affairs and what is currently ongoing concerning this topic... why am I even trying to discuss it with you?

If you don't know what is going on then don't worry about it.

7thKeeper · Nov 7, 2020

LostMarbels said:
To be completely honest... how do you not know what is going on? You have the internet... you're on it right now. I just do not get this air of arrogance that people engaged with me, have to be spoon-feed all the information, and provide..... nothing. Nothing.

Well you have my personal permission to think of me as an idiot for a moment then. Yes, I am on the Internet. No, I haven't seen this evidence of fraud in in mail voting that you've claimed as fact. So feel free to treat me as an idiot and show me this information, as if it should be so easy to discover for anyone who has Internet access, it should be quite easy to guide me to it.

But if you can't do that, then please stop claiming that widespread in mail voting fraud is fact.

LostMarbels · Nov 7, 2020

7thKeeper said:
So feel free to treat me as an idiot

I don't think you're an idiot.

7thKeeper said:
But if you can't do that, then please stop claiming that widespread in mail voting fraud is fact.

You have provided zero... zip... nadda to refute that it is fact. Nothing.

If you can't do that, then please stop claiming that widespread in mail voting fraud is a conspiracy theory.

disciple Clint · Nov 8, 2020

KCfromNC said:
That's not really an argument that it had nothing to do with Donald. At best, it shows that what input he did have shows a very strong lack of ability to hire good people. And that's ignoring what his attorney's indictment said about an unidentified co-conspirator.

The DoJ has said that a sitting president can't be charged with crimes. Might want to hold off a bit and see if that's the only reason Individual 1 hasn't been charged.

I can wait as long as you can but do not hold your breath I would hate to see a time when you could not say something regardless of the content.

LostMarbels · Nov 8, 2020

@SimplyMe

I did a lot of digging to find out about those watermarks, and found proof... there is an operation going on conducted by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the U.S. Cyber Command Cyber National Mission Force (CNMF)

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/...-voting-election-integrity-safeguards_508.pdf

On Election Day, DHS’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency will launch a 24/7 virtual war room, to which election officials across the nation can dial in at any time to share notes about suspicious activity and work together to respond. The agency will also pass along classified information from intelligence agencies about efforts they detect from adversaries seeking to undermine the election and advise states on how to protect against such attacks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...operation-secure-us-election-against-hacking/

Some are calling it a 'sting'. But its actual purpose is to safeguard against foreign attacks. However... whatever shenanigans occurred was likely recorded.

KCfromNC · Nov 8, 2020

disciple Clint said:
I can wait as long as you can but do not hold your breath I would hate to see a time when you could not say something regardless of the content.

There's nothing which requires posts to try and make the discussion about a poster when there are no rational responses to the content of a post.

mnorian · Nov 8, 2020

LostMarbels said:
@SimplyMe

I did a lot of digging to find out about those watermarks, and found proof... there is an operation going on conducted by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the U.S. Cyber Command Cyber National Mission Force (CNMF)

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/...-voting-election-integrity-safeguards_508.pdf

View attachment 288306

View attachment 288307

On Election Day, DHS’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency will launch a 24/7 virtual war room, to which election officials across the nation can dial in at any time to share notes about suspicious activity and work together to respond. The agency will also pass along classified information from intelligence agencies about efforts they detect from adversaries seeking to undermine the election and advise states on how to protect against such attacks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...operation-secure-us-election-against-hacking/

Some are calling it a 'sting'. But its actual purpose is to safeguard against foreign attacks. However... whatever shenanigans occurred was likely recorded.

View attachment 288309

To stop the spread of this QAnon conspiracy; here is a debunking of it from Reuters:

On Nov. 6, 2020, Chris Krebs, director of the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), the federal agency responsible for protecting the nation’s critical infrastructure from cyber threats ( www.cisa.gov/about-cisa ), debunked the inauthentic DHS letter on Twitter (here) .

In what he called a “Rumor Control Update,” Krebs said, “Don’t fall for these efforts to confuse & undermine confidence in the election!” before differentiating between “Reality” and “Rumor.” He explained that social media posts claiming that “DHS or CISA printed paper ballots with security measures and is auditing results as a countermeasure against ballot counterfeiting” were baseless. In reality, he wrote, “The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) do not design or audit ballots, which are processes managed by state and local election officials.”

Fact check: DHS did not announce a sting operation using watermarks on ballots to root out fraud

SimplyMe · Nov 8, 2020

LostMarbels said:
@SimplyMe

I did a lot of digging to find out about those watermarks, and found proof... there is an operation going on conducted by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the U.S. Cyber Command Cyber National Mission Force (CNMF)

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/...-voting-election-integrity-safeguards_508.pdf

View attachment 288306

View attachment 288307

On Election Day, DHS’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency will launch a 24/7 virtual war room, to which election officials across the nation can dial in at any time to share notes about suspicious activity and work together to respond. The agency will also pass along classified information from intelligence agencies about efforts they detect from adversaries seeking to undermine the election and advise states on how to protect against such attacks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...operation-secure-us-election-against-hacking/

Some are calling it a 'sting'. But its actual purpose is to safeguard against foreign attacks. However... whatever shenanigans occurred was likely recorded.

View attachment 288309

Yes, the first two appear to be accurate. As the first two articles state, DHS is working with the states to prevent foreign election tampering. So, they are trying to get states to add more safeguards into the ballots. That isn't a "sting," they aren't supplying paper, just trying to get states to do more to protect their election processes. Another thing they are doing is to get states to swap out all their current voting machines to ones that actually provide a hard copy; the issue being the cost of replacing the voting machines that don't provide a hard copy of the votes.

Additionally, yes, it makes sense they would set up an HQ to try and monitor attempts to hack into the various states election sites, etc. Again, that is aimed at stopping foreign intervention, to prevent other countries from hacking our election.

As was posted above, the last is not anything from DHS -- which is why it has no link. It is one of the fake "press releases" being passed around social media. I believe I provided you a fact check earlier and the fact check by Reuters looks to be well researched.

LostMarbels · Nov 8, 2020

SimplyMe said:
Yes, the first two appear to be accurate. As the first two articles state, DHS is working with the states to prevent foreign election tampering. So, they are trying to get states to add more safeguards into the ballots. That isn't a "sting," they aren't supplying paper, just trying to get states to do more to protect their election processes. Another thing they are doing is to get states to swap out all their current voting machines to ones that actually provide a hard copy; the issue being the cost of replacing the voting machines that don't provide a hard copy of the votes.

Additionally, yes, it makes sense they would set up an HQ to try and monitor attempts to hack into the various states election sites, etc. Again, that is aimed at stopping foreign intervention, to prevent other countries from hacking our election.

I have said it wasn't a sting:

LostMarbels said:
Some are calling it a 'sting'. But its actual purpose is to safeguard against foreign attacks. However... whatever shenanigans occurred was likely recorded

This was all set up to keep out foreign interference. It was not sanctioned by Trump as some sort of master plan.

SimplyMe said:
As was posted above, the last is not anything from DHS -- which is why it has no link. It is one of the fake "press releases" being passed around social media. I believe I provided you a fact check earlier and the fact check by Reuters looks to be well researched.

Again.... I stated: "Some are calling it a 'sting'. But its actual purpose is to safeguard against foreign attacks."

Thusly, the example I posted was what people were calling a sting. I had already said it was not, so apparently I did not believe that was true but rather was just having a discussion about it. It wasn't a sting operation against Biden. That was the falsehood. That clip didn't even make sense if you read it. I was just trying to spur conversation.

Honestly, I was so concerned about the integrity of what I wrote to you, I took hours to research it and reach back out to you to cite sources.

SimplyMe · Nov 8, 2020

LostMarbels said:
I have said it wasn't a sting:

This was all set up to keep out foreign interference. It was not sanctioned by Trump as some sort of master plan.

Again.... I stated: "Some are calling it a 'sting'. But its actual purpose is to safeguard against foreign attacks."

Thusly, the example I posted was what people were calling a sting. I had already said it was not, so apparently I did not believe that was true but rather was just having a discussion about it. It wasn't a sting operation against Biden. That was the falsehood. That clip didn't even make sense if you read it. I was just trying to spur conversation.

Honestly, I was so concerned about the integrity of what I wrote to you, I took hours to research it and reach back out to you to cite sources.

There was an extra bit in your post previously, apparently "attachment 288309." I seem to recall it was what called it a "sting," since I don't see anywhere else calling it a sting. And I agree, the DHS did observe the election and they have been working with the states.

I may have even mentioned it, but one of their key recommendations -- I suppose I remember it because I've said it was needed -- is voting machines that print out a hard copy of the ballot, each time a person votes. And while they are helping states secure their ballots -- recommending various weights and types of paper for ballots, as well as how security marks they can use to prevent counterfeit ballots -- they aren't supplying ballots to the states.

It is good you've been researching.

LostMarbels · Nov 8, 2020

SimplyMe said:
There was an extra bit in your post previously, apparently "attachment 288309." I seem to recall it was what called it a "sting," since I don't see anywhere else calling it a sting. And I agree, the DHS did observe the election and they have been working with the states.

Well, the whole sting operation aspect is wrong. That was my intention of putting it in my thread. The isotope thing is yet unfounded. All I am doing is clarifying my position, and was attempting to discuss it.

disciple Clint · Nov 9, 2020

KCfromNC said:
There's nothing which requires posts to try and make the discussion about a poster when there are no rational responses to the content of a post.

another masterpiece

LostMarbels · Nov 10, 2020

So if you live in Georgia, call Governor Brian Kemp at 404-655-1776 and demand that he calls the Georgia General Assembly into special session immediately to address this election crisis in Georgia.

URGENT: We Will Not Win in Georgia Unless YOU Get Involved, Call the Governor NOW | Sean Hannity

SimplyMe · Nov 10, 2020

LostMarbels said:
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So if you live in Georgia, call Governor Brian Kemp at 404-655-1776 and demand that he calls the Georgia General Assembly into special session immediately to address this election crisis in Georgia.

URGENT: We Will Not Win in Georgia Unless YOU Get Involved, Call the Governor NOW | Sean Hannity

So am I to understand you support the government of Georgia to steal the election for Pres. Trump? That is what they are talking about, having the legislature overrule the will of the people, to throw out the vote count to anoint Trump the winner of the election.

And this is something Trump had claimed he was planning to do. So, do you support the American people, or do you believe in what appears to be Facism?

essentialsaltes · Nov 10, 2020

LostMarbels said:
this election crisis in Georgia.

Crisis? You keep counting the votes until all the piles are gone.

LostMarbels · Nov 10, 2020

SimplyMe said:
So am I to understand you support the government of Georgia to steal the election for Pres. Trump? That is what they are talking about, having the legislature overrule the will of the people, to throw out the vote count to anoint Trump the winner of the election.

And this is something Trump had claimed he was planning to do. So, do you support the American people, or do you believe in what appears to be Facism?

How much more clear do I need to be? I do not support Biden. I do not care how you term it... how you play the little selective moral outrage games... I have no intention of backing Biden for any other reason than seeing him escorted to jail.

You can call me a fascist for the rest if my life, if I am able to keep this man from office, I will be smiling like the Cheshire cat.

7thKeeper · Nov 10, 2020

LostMarbels said:
How much more clear do I need to be? I do not support Biden. I do not care how you term it... how you play the little selective moral outrage games... I have no intention of backing Biden for any other reason than seeing him escorted to jail.

You can call me a fascist for the rest if my life, if I am able to keep this man from office, I will be smiling like the Cheshire cat.

Well if you want to jail a man who hasn't broken the law then... Well, glad to see at least you be honest about your disdain for democratic process and fair rule of law, as long as it involves someone you personally do not like.

Desk trauma · Nov 10, 2020

LostMarbels said:
You can call me a fascist for the rest if my life, if I am able to keep this man from office, I will be smiling like the Cheshire cat.

Other than an already cast ballot how do you imagine you will be involved in keeping president elect Biden from office?

In what states will recounts be requested?

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