In The Beginning.

[lemmings]

LOL. be serious, it appears for reasons as yet unknown. As I have said without time, space, energy or matter there will be no quantum anything.

FoeHammer

Your deity spends his time creating the illusion of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? Does he also keep you glued to the floor?

 

[FoeHammer]

...Thereby placing belief in God on par with the ravings of madmen. Since you have explicitly rejected logic, there is absolutely no reason to take your ramblings seriously any longer, and any attempt at rational discourse is clearly futile.

I'll leave it to the believers on the board to take issue with your blanket rejection of apologetics itself. For the purpose of discussing the existence of God, you are functionally insane. Have fun with that.

I have not explicitly rejected logic at all I have simply pointed out that The omnipotent, omniscient God does not have to be limited by it.You failed to explain why He should.

FoeHammer.

 

[FoeHammer]

So then life had to have a cause, since it can't come from nothing. Could that cause be a chemical one? Abiogenesis perhaps?

Whoa! slow down I haven't finished with the atheists first miracle of something from nothing yet.

FoeHammer.

 

[lemmings]

I will state it here and now, nothing comes from nothing, if, in the future, science should prove me wrong (don't hold your breath) feel free to ridicule me all you like.

Science already has proven you wrong. Have you ever looked into the Bohr-Einstein Debates? Einstein's largest mistake is widely acknowledged as his inability to accept quantum mechanics.

There is a universe full of evidence that God exists.

Show us this evidence please.

 

[FoeHammer]

How would you be able to tell a false God belief from a true God belief?

Peter

I am not sure that I am allowed to say as I may offend some(one) on these forums.

FoeHammer.

 

[FoeHammer]

Your deity spends his time creating the illusion of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? Does he also keep you glued to the floor?

Heisenberg may have been uncertain I am not . Nothing comes from nothing.

FoeHammer.

 

[mark kennedy]

...Thereby placing belief in God on par with the ravings of madmen. Since you have explicitly rejected logic, there is absolutely no reason to take your ramblings seriously any longer, and any attempt at rational discourse is clearly futile.

I'll leave it to the believers on the board to take issue with your blanket rejection of apologetics itself. For the purpose of discussing the existence of God, you are functionally insane. Have fun with that.

This is a fairly typical reaction by a religious creationist to the modern a priori assumption of a single common ancestor. It's not that they feel the evidence is not interesting but that the mentality of TOE advocates is hostile to any hint of God.

I have tried in vain to arouse an interest in the life sciences in my fellow creationists, this thread is a stereotypical example of why. The ablility of evolutionists to alienate any view other then a purely naturalistic one is what characterizes their arguments.

Now this poster is going to put a blanket curse on the whole topic. Congradulations debaters, you have intrenched yet another creationist.

 

[FoeHammer]

Science already has proven you wrong. Have you ever looked into the Bohr-Einstein Debates? Einstein's largest mistake is widely acknowledged as his inability to accept quantum mechanics.

Science hasn't proven me wrong at all.
Where does a quantum fluctuation occur?

Show us this evidence please.

Open your eyes and your heart it's all around and within you.

FoeHammer.

 

[Pikachu]

Nothing comes from nothing.

FoeHammer.

Just continue repeating that over and over and over. Maybe that'll change some opinions. In the meantime, could you present the evidence you have to back up the assertions you've made?

 

[FoeHammer]

Just continue repeating that over and over and over. Maybe that'll change some opinions.

If you have proof to the contrary please provide it.

In the meantime, could you present the evidence you have to back up the assertions you've made?

What assertions would they be?

FoeHammer.

 

[Pikachu]

If you have proof to the contrary please provide it.What assertions would they be?

FoeHammer.

This one would be a good start:

There is a universe full of evidence that God exists.

 

[Pikachu]

If you have proof to the contrary please provide it.FoeHammer.

Since you are clearly the one making the assertions in question, the burden of proof rests squarely, and solely on you.

 

[AdmiralBell]

Science hasn't proven me wrong at all.
Where does a quantum fluctuation occur?Open your eyes and your heart it's all around and within you.

FoeHammer.

Quantum fluctuations occur everywhere in the universe.

 

[Chalnoth]

So the universe has always existed?

It is possible. There is, as yet, no reason to expect that there had to be a beginning.

 

[FoeHammer]

This one would be a good start:

How about Life to begin with since none of this would be an issue without it.

FoeHammer.

 

[FoeHammer]

Quantum fluctuations occur everywhere in the universe.

They may do now but what about before the universe began?

FoeHammer.

 

[FoeHammer]

It is possible. There is, as yet, no reason to expect that there had to be a beginning.

You atheists do like to keep your options open don't you?
So the age of the universe is now between 13.5 billion years old and infinite?
Not forgetting of course that this one may not be the only one.
Next thing you'll be telling me that non-living matter came to life for no reason and without purpose.
As long as it doesn't involve God it seems you lot will entertain any old notion.

FoeHammer.

 

[Pikachu]

How about Life to begin with since none of this would be an issue without it.

FoeHammer.

Huh?

 

[FoeHammer]

Huh?

Life is evidence for the existence of God.

FoeHammer.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Life is evidence for the existence of God.

FoeHammer.

Why, exactly?