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Hey, you want to read the rest of my posts in this thread, not just the first one?

Read Eleveness's post. It explains my point completely! (Kudos by the way! :D)

If the law prohibits abortion, a baby is very much forced onto a woman. She has no right to abort it, so her body no longer belongs to her.

A tumour does, in fact, have 24 human chromosomes. Every cell in the body does.


actually no, manys cancers have mutated or extra amounts of chromosomes not that similar to the regular 24 chromosome human cell.

And no, the woman forces herself to get pregnant everytime she spreads her legs. Its a conscious choice that she makes.

She does not have any right to abortion because it is premeditated murder of an innocent human being which is a violation of human rights. The mothers rights don't trump the childs, if they do then you can kiss the constitution and equality between everyone down the drain. The abortionist views the unborn child the same way the slave owner views their owned slave.
 
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The mothers rights don't trump the childs, if they do then you can kiss the constitution and equality between everyone down the drain.

Regardless of the status of the rights of the fetus, the fetus still doesn't have to right to forcibly take oxygen and nutrients from the mother's bloodstream. The mother owns her blood and its contents in the same way that she owns her car, books, and other personal items. Just like she has the right to give one of her books to anyone she pleases (or no one at all), she also has the right to give the contents of her blood to anyone she pleases--or no one at all, if she wishes. Whether or not anyone's life is dependent on the blood is absolutely irrelevant.

Here's an analogy that was originally conceived by someone else on this forum, whose name escapes me. Suppose:
1. Someone is dying, and needs a blood transfusion to save his life
2. No pints of blood are close enough at hand to save the person's life
3. There are people nearby who are able to give blood directly to the dying person, and equipment is available to facilitate the transfusion of blood
4. None of the nearby people are willing to give blood

Do we have the right to force one of the nearby people to donate blood? (It can hardly be called a "donation" at that point, but you get the idea.) I hold that we do not have the right to "force" a donation, since a person's blood is his property, and he alone retains the right to decide how his property is spent. If he decides that his blood is not to be spent by someone else, that is his right, even if such a decision means the death of another person.

Observe that a fetus stays alive via a transfusion of blood from its mother. I hold that we do not have the right to force the mother to "donate" blood to the fetus, if she doesn't wish to (for whatever reason). A woman's blood is her property, and she alone retains the right to decide how her property is spent. If she decides that her blood is not to be spent by the fetus, that is her right, even if such a decision means the death of the fetus.

The abortionist views the unborn child the same way the slave owner views their owned slave.
This is an example of the "straw man" fallacy, i.e. a deliberate misrepresentation of another person's argument for the purpose of making it easier to refute. The difference between a fetus and a slave is that a slave can survive without relying upon his master, whereas a fetus cannot survive without the resources of its mother's body. Please understand that when you refute a misrepresentation of an argument, you fail to refute the argument itself.
 
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Regardless of the status of the rights of the fetus, the fetus still doesn't have to right to forcibly take oxygen and nutrients from the mother's bloodstream. The mother owns her blood and its contents in the same way that she owns her car, books, and other personal items. Just like she has the right to give one of her books to anyone she pleases (or no one at all), she also has the right to give the contents of her blood to anyone she pleases--or no one at all, if she wishes. Whether or not anyone's life is dependent on the blood is absolutely irrelevant.

Here's an analogy that was originally conceived by someone else on this forum, whose name escapes me. Suppose:
1. Someone is dying, and needs a blood transfusion to save his life
2. No pints of blood are close enough at hand to save the person's life
3. There are people nearby who are able to give blood directly to the dying person, and equipment is available to facilitate the transfusion of blood
4. None of the nearby people are willing to give blood

Do we have the right to force one of the nearby people to donate blood? (It can hardly be called a "donation" at that point, but you get the idea.) I hold that we do not have the right to "force" a donation, since a person's blood is his property, and he alone retains the right to decide how his property is spent. If he decides that his blood is not to be spent by someone else, that is his right, even if such a decision means the death of another person.

Observe that a fetus stays alive via a transfusion of blood from its mother. I hold that we do not have the right to force the mother to "donate" blood to the fetus, if she doesn't wish to (for whatever reason). A woman's blood is her property, and she alone retains the right to decide how her property is spent. If she decides that her blood is not to be spent by the fetus, that is her right, even if such a decision means the death of the fetus.

This is an example of the "straw man" fallacy, i.e. a deliberate misrepresentation of another person's argument for the purpose of making it easier to refute. The difference between a fetus and a slave is that a slave can survive without relying upon his master, whereas a fetus cannot survive without the resources of its mother's body. Please understand that when you refute a misrepresentation of an argument, you fail to refute the argument itself.



Im pretty sure the government can force blood from people if there is a National security issue . So thats a bad arguement. Secondly the woman consents to the child when she has sex. The choice happens if she chooses to have sex or not. If she dosen't want to get pregant then don't have sex. Again the child should not have to suffer being ripped apart alive because of a promiscuous woman who's too lazy to take care of her own child. Adoption is a viable much more less violent alternative. Abortion has great mental consequences and its sometimes deadly(perforation of the uterus).

And again you take resources from the earth the same way a child takes resources from its mother. And your taking of resources(and emiting of waste) does effect other people. Should you be killed also because of your dependence on the resources of society? If a person truely has a right to kill someone because of their dependence that means parents have the right to kill their children too(since children are dependent on their parents even outside the womb). Your argument fails on all sides and we are not even begining to look at the moral implications of viewing a child as a parasite worthy of death. Abortion will always be a direct violation of the constitution that life is sacred and we are all equal. And as long as someone thinks they have a right to kill an infant then they do not truely view everyone as equals, and thus they are no different than the slave owners, the feminists, or the nazis who viewed the people they oppressed and murdered as "less" than they are.
 
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The following is an example, Goddess Forbid anyone come down with cancer :(:(


Mary is sick. Mary has cancer. It's fully operable, they just need to go in a remove a tiny tumour from her lung. With proper chemo and treatment, Mary should make a full recovery. But with one obstacle.

Many Christian groups are now AGAINST the removal of tumours and other growth in the human body. After all, a tumour is a thing inside your body, living off of your nutrients, has all of your DNA, and is essentially a living being.

These groups want to stop Mary from removing the tumour from her body, because it is alive.

^This is fiction, I don't know of any Christian groups who are agaisnt the removal of tumours. However, what happened to all life being sacred, be it cancerous or not?

If all life is sacred, why not this tumour?


BTW-I'm pro choice, just to clear up the issue of me here.

Are you seriously attempting to compare the human fetus to a cancer, perhaps suggesting that if cancers (which are living) can be removed without moral constraint, why not fetuses which are also living? That is the gist of the message that I seem to be receiving.
However, there are fundamental distinctions between the cancer and a fetus, both of which are living and both of which retain human genetic material. The cancer, as far I am aware, retains your genetic material, unique to you. The cancer, therefore, is part of you in the sense that its growth is governed by your genetics, and in such a case that growth is abnormal. The fetus, on the other hand, retains a unique and separate set of genetic instructions that program for a unique individual. It, unlike the cancer, is separate from you in the genetic sense. The fetus, unlike the cancer, retains its own genotype. And the fetus, unlike the cancer, will (if uninterrupted) develop and mature further as a human being. No cancer that I know of currently possesses any such trait. Unlike most cancers, the division of cells in the fetus is controlled by it own genetic make-up, and unlike the cancer the cells of the fetus become specialized to form bone and muscle and various other structures recognizable as a separate human body.
 
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Regardless of the status of the rights of the fetus, the fetus still doesn't have to right to forcibly take oxygen and nutrients from the mother's bloodstream. The mother owns her blood and its contents in the same way that she owns her car, books, and other personal items. Just like she has the right to give one of her books to anyone she pleases (or no one at all), she also has the right to give the contents of her blood to anyone she pleases--or no one at all, if she wishes. Whether or not anyone's life is dependent on the blood is absolutely irrelevant.

Here's an analogy that was originally conceived by someone else on this forum, whose name escapes me. Suppose:
1. Someone is dying, and needs a blood transfusion to save his life
2. No pints of blood are close enough at hand to save the person's life
3. There are people nearby who are able to give blood directly to the dying person, and equipment is available to facilitate the transfusion of blood
4. None of the nearby people are willing to give blood

Do we have the right to force one of the nearby people to donate blood? (It can hardly be called a "donation" at that point, but you get the idea.) I hold that we do not have the right to "force" a donation, since a person's blood is his property, and he alone retains the right to decide how his property is spent. If he decides that his blood is not to be spent by someone else, that is his right, even if such a decision means the death of another person.

Observe that a fetus stays alive via a transfusion of blood from its mother. I hold that we do not have the right to force the mother to "donate" blood to the fetus, if she doesn't wish to (for whatever reason). A woman's blood is her property, and she alone retains the right to decide how her property is spent. If she decides that her blood is not to be spent by the fetus, that is her right, even if such a decision means the death of the fetus.

This is an example of the "straw man" fallacy, i.e. a deliberate misrepresentation of another person's argument for the purpose of making it easier to refute. The difference between a fetus and a slave is that a slave can survive without relying upon his master, whereas a fetus cannot survive without the resources of its mother's body. Please understand that when you refute a misrepresentation of an argument, you fail to refute the argument itself.

The blood transfusion analogy is striking, yet the situation in pregnancy is more distinct. In a blood transfusion, the person requiring the transfusion is not located within the person being asked to give their bodily resource. In pregnancy, this is the case... another living human being is within another person's body. And their removal literally involves the violent violation of that person's (the fetuses) bodily integrity. Refusing to give a blood transfusion, however, does not result in violence against the person requesting the transfusion, nor does such refusal violate their bodily integrity. In fact, the person requesting the blood transfusion may find someone else who is willing to give, whereas in abortion you cannot find another who is willing to host the child. The child inevitably dies, and oft it dies a violent death with their body's integrity torn to shreds and removed.
In the blood transfusion scenario, the person's choice not to give may or may not contribute to the death of the prospective recipient, but either way the prospective recipient does not have their body violated by the person being asked to give. In abortion, however, the fetus has no choice but to die. It is not given a choice. It can ask no other to be its mother.

It is also important to recognize that the fetus is not the only separate organism that would reside in a person's body. Various forms of bacteria, some that help others that hinder, also take residence in our bodies and rely on our bodily structures for nourishment. They are 'separate' from us in the sense that they have their own genotype and respective phenotype. Some are natural flora which assist us to combat infection. We can remove some of them using broad-spectrum antibiotics. However, not all can we remove, and we can't resist them forever. They are simply naturally occurring. Now, you hear all this talk about controlling our own fertility and reproductive functions, literally controlling our own bodies. For one, we simply cannot control all aspects, structures and functions of our bodies. We cannot control these organisms that reside in our bodies, even though they are our own bodies. We cannot control natural functions relating to circulation, digestion Etc. These functions are beyond our artificial control and within the realm of natural control. You hear the term 'reproductive choice,' and controlling one's own fertility. How about circulatory choice, controlling one's own circulation? As is clear, certain functions are beyond the scope of artificial control, perhaps even for a reason.
 
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And no, the woman forces herself to get pregnant everytime she spreads her legs. Its a conscious choice that she makes.

That's a really vile and offensive choice of wording.

She does not have any right to abortion because it is premeditated murder of an innocent human being which is a violation of human rights.
It depends. Would you make exception if her life were in danger, at which point it may be considered self-defense?

The mothers rights don't trump the childs, if they do then you can kiss the constitution and equality between everyone down the drain.
From a legal standpoint (not a moral, personal one, mind you) if two separate beings are sharing the same body does the baby's rights supersede the mother's or do they share equal rights? Does a parent's rights not supersede the child's after birth, simply because the child is a minor in the parents' care?
 
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The blood transfusion analogy is striking, yet the situation in pregnancy is more distinct. In a blood transfusion, the person requiring the transfusion is not located within the person being asked to give their bodily resource. In pregnancy, this is the case... another living human being is within another person's body.

Mere location is irrelevant. The only relevant issue is the property of the pregnant woman.

Consider this situation (related to the blood transfusion analogy):
1. The fetus is located outside its mother's body--i.e. she has already given birth to it--but it is still attached to its mother via the umbilical cord
2. The mother's blood is still flowing to the fetus via the cord--thus she is effectively giving it a continuous blood transfusion
3. The doctor does not wish to sever the cord, because he believes that the fetus will die if the cord is cut (e.g. the fetus is extremely premature)

(I don't know how likely this scenario is in real life; this is just a hypothetical situation.) I ask the question: Does the mother have the right to cut the umbilical cord, even if it would mean the death of the fetus? I believe that she does, as it is her blood upon which the fetus is dependent, and no one else--neither you nor me nor the doctor nor the fetus nor anyone else--has the right to determine how the blood is spent.

And their removal literally involves the violent violation of that person's (the fetuses) bodily integrity. Refusing to give a blood transfusion, however, does not result in violence against the person requesting the transfusion, nor does such refusal violate their bodily integrity. In fact, the person requesting the blood transfusion may find someone else who is willing to give, whereas in abortion you cannot find another who is willing to host the child. The child inevitably dies, and oft it dies a violent death with their body's integrity torn to shreds and removed.
What would happen if the woman were to terminate the blood transfusion without removing the fetus from her body? The fetus would die, and there is an enormous pile of health problems that could result from the presence of a dead fetus inside the body of a pregnant woman. Of course the body of the fetus should be removed from the woman once she has decided that she no longer wishes to sustain its life! And once the fetus is dead, what does it matter what happens to its "body's integrity"?

Now, you raise an interesting point when you write, "in abortion you cannot find another who is willing to host the child," and when you continue to write,

In the blood transfusion scenario, the person's choice not to give may or may not contribute to the death of the prospective recipient, but either way the prospective recipient does not have their body violated by the person being asked to give. In abortion, however, the fetus has no choice but to die. It is not given a choice. It can ask no other to be its mother.
If it were possible to transplant a fetus from the uterus of one woman to the uterus of another, and the woman who would receive the body of the fetus is fully willing to carry the developing fetus to term (as well as fund the transplant operation), then you could make the case that the fetus must not die--it should merely be transplanted. I very seriously do not know whether we can then say, "The original mother has the right to deny the willing mother the privilege of finishing the development of the fetus; i.e. the original mother has a right to terminate the fetus, even if there are other women who are willing to carry the fetus." I will need to devote more thought to this issue.

It is also important to recognize that the fetus is not the only separate organism that would reside in a person's body. Various forms of bacteria, some that help others that hinder, also take residence in our bodies and rely on our bodily structures for nourishment. They are 'separate' from us in the sense that they have their own genotype and respective phenotype. Some are natural flora which assist us to combat infection. We can remove some of them using broad-spectrum antibiotics. However, not all can we remove, and we can't resist them forever. They are simply naturally occurring.
I submit that the woman (or indeed any person) has a right to keep or remove those organisms as he or she sees fit. It may not be possible to remove them now, but it almost certainly will become possible in the future. It's entirely possible that removing them would be detrimental to the health of the person, but a person has a right to perform actions that are detrimental to his health, if he so chooses (as long as he doesn't harm anyone else in the process).

Now, you hear all this talk about controlling our own fertility and reproductive functions, literally controlling our own bodies. For one, we simply cannot control all aspects, structures and functions of our bodies. We cannot control these organisms that reside in our bodies, even though they are our own bodies. We cannot control natural functions relating to circulation, digestion Etc. These functions are beyond our artificial control and within the realm of natural control.
Again, the only reason why we can't control those things, is technological. There is no reason in principle why we can't control them.

You hear the term 'reproductive choice,' and controlling one's own fertility. How about circulatory choice, controlling one's own circulation? As is clear, certain functions are beyond the scope of artificial control, perhaps even for a reason.
"For a reason"? What reason would that be? Because God doesn't want us to?

I understand that, in this Christian forum, one can always call upon God to come to the aid of those who advocate the pro-life position in the abortion debate. I understand that such an argument is perfectly legitimate in a Christian forum. But please understand such an argument destroys all room for debate: There is no room for debate once someone says, "God hates abortion, end of story." Please don't use that argument, unless you simply wish for the debate to end (without potentially learning something from the people with whom you debate, which is why I participate in these debates).
 
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I once believed the Pro-Choice lie that a fetus was merely "tissue" and easily discarded. Thankfully God changed my heart on that. Unfortunately that lie brings forth this question where a child is compared to a tumor. And being in the adoption community now, I can tell you there are many, many people who are desperate for a child and would consider it a blessing to receive one of these little ones born into a "broken home" or difficult situation. Your comparison shows how big the lie is. I pray God would give you understanding and show you it through His eyes.
 
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That's a really vile and offensive choice of wording.

If you really believe that then you should absolutely have no problem with the vileness of the murder of 60 million children. Or are you selective when it comes to whos vile?

lol. You say its vile because I say its a choice when a woman decides when she wants to sleep with a man, but that the murder of 60 million children is "nothing wrong at all". Could the leftists be boiling over with any more hypocrisy? wow

It depends. Would you make exception if her life were in danger, at which point it may be considered self-defense?

Both lives should always be attempted to be saved. And a child can be removed if there is complications and then put on machines to try to keep it alive. As long as there is effort to keep both peoples alive.

From a legal standpoint (not a moral, personal one, mind you) if two separate beings are sharing the same body does the baby's rights supersede the mother's or do they share equal rights? Does a parent's rights not supersede the child's after birth, simply because the child is a minor in the parents' care

If the mothers right superceeds her childs then kiss the constitution down the drain and equality. Abortion is about as equal as slavery and a violation of human rights.
 
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lol. You say its vile because I say its a choice when a woman decides when she wants to sleep with a man, but that the murder of 60 million children is "nothing wrong at all". Could the leftists be boiling over with any more hypocrisy? wow

I call tu quoque. I'm merely isolating your choice of wording, that a woman "spreads her legs". It was an offensive and inappropriate choice of wording that has nothing to do with the act of abortion itself.

Both lives should always be attempted to be saved. And a child can be removed if there is complications and then put on machines to try to keep it alive. As long as there is effort to keep both peoples alive.
Absolutely, but there are times when a problem is detected early in the pregnancy, when the child surviving outside of the womb would not be possible. Do you believe both lives should be lost?

If the mothers right superceeds her childs then kiss the constitution down the drain and equality. Abortion is about as equal as slavery and a violation of human rights.
So are both the woman's and the baby's rights equal or does the baby's supersede the woman's?
 
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I call tu quoque. I'm merely isolating your choice of wording, that a woman "spreads her legs". It was an offensive and inappropriate choice of wording that has nothing to do with the act of abortion itself.

many young women today sleep around like its nothing, and then when they get pregnant they act like their baby was forced on them. No, it wasn't, it happened because she slept around irresponsibly and brought it on herself.

Absolutely, but there are times when a problem is detected early in the pregnancy, when the child surviving outside of the womb would not be possible. Do you believe both lives should be lost?

of course not. But that technically would not be an abortion , it would be ectopic pregnancy.

So are both the woman's and the baby's rights equal or does the baby's supersede the woman's

how can a baby's rights supersede a woman? do you supersede others humans rightS by taking up earthly resources and emiting waste?
 
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CreedIsChrist said:
many young women today sleep around like its nothing, and then when they get pregnant they act like their baby was forced on them. No, it wasn't, it happened because she slept around irresponsibly and brought it on herself.

So the man plays no role in this? And most women who have an abortion aren't sleeping around. Even if she was, it doesn't give you any right to speak about them in such a nasty and degrading fashion.

of course not. But that technically would not be an abortion , it would be ectopic pregnancy.

Not always.

how can a baby's rights supersede a woman? do you supersede others humans right by taking up earlthy resources and emiting waste?

Some people have more rights than others.
 
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So the man plays no role in this? And most women who have an abortion aren't sleeping around. Even if she was, it doesn't give you any right to speak about them in such a nasty and degrading fashion.



Not always.



Some people have more rights than others.

Not according to the Constitution. Espesially Article ISection I

That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

What does posterity mean?​


Someone who trys to purposely incite lust in other people by wearing skimpy clothes and sleeping around degrade themselves by their actions.
 
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CreedIsChrist said:
Someone who trys to purposely incite lust in other people by wearing skimpy clothes and sleeping around degrade themselves by their actions.

I didn't realize they pose such a problem for you.
 
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Regardless of the status of the rights of the fetus, the fetus still doesn't have to right to forcibly take oxygen and nutrients from the mother's bloodstream. The mother owns her blood and its contents in the same way that she owns her car, books, and other personal items. Just like she has the right to give one of her books to anyone she pleases (or no one at all), she also has the right to give the contents of her blood to anyone she pleases--or no one at all, if she wishes. Whether or not anyone's life is dependent on the blood is absolutely irrelevant.

Here's an analogy that was originally conceived by someone else on this forum, whose name escapes me. Suppose:
1. Someone is dying, and needs a blood transfusion to save his life
2. No pints of blood are close enough at hand to save the person's life
3. There are people nearby who are able to give blood directly to the dying person, and equipment is available to facilitate the transfusion of blood
4. None of the nearby people are willing to give blood

Do we have the right to force one of the nearby people to donate blood? (It can hardly be called a "donation" at that point, but you get the idea.) I hold that we do not have the right to "force" a donation, since a person's blood is his property, and he alone retains the right to decide how his property is spent. If he decides that his blood is not to be spent by someone else, that is his right, even if such a decision means the death of another person.

Observe that a fetus stays alive via a transfusion of blood from its mother. I hold that we do not have the right to force the mother to "donate" blood to the fetus, if she doesn't wish to (for whatever reason). A woman's blood is her property, and she alone retains the right to decide how her property is spent. If she decides that her blood is not to be spent by the fetus, that is her right, even if such a decision means the death of the fetus.

This is the MOST inane, senseless, and worthless act of circular logic I've ever had the misfortune to witness. Do you actually believe this trash? You are seriously deceived. Really...get help. Repent. Turn to Jesus and get your head straight.

A fetus is not a parasite or tumor. It is a child. You should know. You were a fetus once and someone gave you the opportunity to live. Perhaps you should practice some of that mercy.
 
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I didn't realize they pose such a problem for you.


ad-hominem. And no, I find it a turn off and vain. To dress to try to get other attention from men is vain and shallow. So your saying that sex should have no responsibilities? A woman who dresses like a harlot and chooses to sleep around brings it on herself, not the government and not other people. If a woman does not want a baby she will choose not to sleep around until shes married and chooses to have kids. Anything can be hidden under the guise of choice. I could say that its wrong to kill Jews but Germans still should have the "choice" to do it for the sake of choice. I would be laughed at if I made such a statement. Yet this statement seems acceptable if you are a child in the womb. Talk about ass-backwards regard for human life. Do you see how hypocritical that is?
 
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I call tu quoque. I'm merely isolating your choice of wording, that a woman "spreads her legs". It was an offensive and inappropriate choice of wording that has nothing to do with the act of abortion itself.

Absolutely, but there are times when a problem is detected early in the pregnancy, when the child surviving outside of the womb would not be possible. Do you believe both lives should be lost?

So are both the woman's and the baby's rights equal or does the baby's supersede the woman's?

I agree.

Saying that a woman 'forces herself to get pregnant every time she spreads her legs' really offends me. A woman does not 'force herself' to get pregnant. I've had sex many times (and yes, it does require spreading of the legs!) and I'm not pregnant. Woo hoo!
 
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I agree.

Saying that a woman 'forces herself to get pregnant every time she spreads her legs' really offends me. A woman does not 'force herself' to get pregnant. I've had sex many times (and yes, it does require spreading of the legs!) and I'm not pregnant. Woo hoo!

This offends you? That I find completely ironic.

You are making the choice when you have sex that there is the possibility you will become pregnant. If you want to have sex freely without that possibility, have an operation to remove that chance. Then you never have to worry about being pregnant again. Permanent birth control. Sound great? And you don't have to kill a child in the process. Everyone wins. Don't you agree?
 
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This offends you? That I find completely ironic.

You are making the choice when you have sex that there is the possibility you will become pregnant. If you want to have sex freely without that possibility, have an operation to remove that chance. Then you never have to worry about being pregnant again. Permanent birth control. Sound great? And you don't have to kill a child in the process. Everyone wins. Don't you agree?

No, I don't. I'm not having sex for procreation, at this point. I'm on the pill, and use condoms consistantly. I know where to go if a condom should break. The chances of me becoming pregnant are slim, but I still understand that it can happen. I'm not going to get my tubes tied. I'm a teenager. I am going to want kids someday. When someone gets an abortion, it's not like, "Ooooh, I feel evil! I think I'll kill a child!". It's a tough choice to make, and no one wants to get an abortion.

I'm not saying everyone should get an abortion. But think about the things that would happen if there was no option to have an abortion. People would try to do it themselves. That's sad. Someone has to shove sharp objects up their body, because they cannot make a choice for themselves. The option should be there for women. This isn't about morals, this is about someone choosing what's right for them.
 
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No, I don't. I'm not having sex for procreation, at this point. I'm on the pill, and use condoms consistantly. I know where to go if a condom should break. The chances of me becoming pregnant are slim, but I still understand that it can happen. I'm not going to get my tubes tied. I'm a teenager. I am going to want kids someday. When someone gets an abortion, it's not like, "Ooooh, I feel evil! I think I'll kill a child!". It's a tough choice to make, and no one wants to get an abortion.

I'm not saying everyone should get an abortion. But think about the things that would happen if there was no option to have an abortion. People would try to do it themselves. That's sad. Someone has to shove sharp objects up their body, because they cannot make a choice for themselves. The option should be there for women. This isn't about morals, this is about someone choosing what's right for them.



Well technically abortion isn't a moral issue when you look at it non-religiously. Even then its still a human rights issue and a violation of the constitution that says all humans are equal.

The pill dosen't make you invisible. Lotsa people get pregnant on the pill and get STDS, condoms break, abortions still can be fatal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vh1frrx_-w


This isn't about morals, this is about someone choosing what's right for them.

And if you don't have a moral compass how do you know what is right for you? Nice circular logic
 
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