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I just discovered a couple of quotes from E G White. The reason that they are of interest to me, is because of my interest in the fall feasts and there prophectic significance. Has anyone here been doing much study on this subject??

"All the ceremonies of the Jewish law were prophetic, typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption." Volume 6, Bible Commentary, p. 1095. E.G. White

Speaking of the feast days which occurred in the spring relating to the first advent, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Wave Sheaf, and Pentecost, Ellen White writes,

"These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time....." Then continuing she writes, "In like manner the types which relate to the second advent must be fulfilled at the time pointed out in the symbolic service." Great Controversy, p. 399, 400. E.G. White
 
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Visionary, do you remember when you and I were PMing back and forth and I said that when something weighs on my heart, God just keeps placing it before me until its reconciled in my own heart/mind?

The Feast of Tabernacles has been weighing on me very heavily lately and it seems like every time I turn around (like now)...there it is!

I can see the fulfillment of other feasts...but I have yet to find where or even HOW the Feast of Tabernacles could've been fulfilled. It's about the final harvest...a future event.

Did you feel an inkling to come in here? Was God knocking at your door again? :)

God bless you sister!
 
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Hey, that is cool. Glad to see interest in the fall feasts as well as the other feasts. They are a fascinating subject and I was hopeing others here are also studying the subject and could tell me more.

In like manner.... just as the spring feasts were fulfilled....

Does that mean... that the fall feasts will happen at their appointed time, and all one right after another before the Lord returns?

Just like there was a 3 1/2 year ministery by Yeshua before He fulfilled the spring feasts, do you think there will be something similar for the fall feasts?

Do you think the fall feasts are important enough to keep in some manner?
 
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Could someone list the feasts in chronological order as they would occur during the year?

Here is a chart I made

7th day sabbath: commemorates creation, antitype: none

New Moon: 1st of every month, the beginning of a lunar cycle, antitype: spiritual renewing

Passover: Nisan (1st month) 14th, pilgrimage required, commemorates: the passover in Egypt, antitype: Christ's death

Feast of Unleavened Bread: Nisan 15th-21st, commemorates Israelites' freeing from bondage, antitype: sinless in Jesus

First Fruit: Nisan 16th, first fruit of barley harvest, antitype: Jesus the first fruit of resurrection

Pentecost: Sivan(3rd month) 6th, 50th day after First Fruit, latter rain falls, pilgrimage required, commemorates the giving of the law at Sinai, antitype: the first great outpouring of the holy spirit upon the completion of the inauguration of the heavenly sanctuary (Christ's earthly ministry ended and His heavenly ministry began) and His high priesthood

Feast of Trumpets: Tishri(7th month) 1st. Warns the land of Israel of the impending Day of Judgment(Yom Kippur). Antitype: the Millerites proclaiming the judgment hour prior to the autumn of 1844.

Day of Atonement: Tishri 10th, annual day of judgment, the sanctuary was cleansed on this day, antitype: Christ entered in the judgment phase of the atonement since 1844.

Feast of Tabernacle: Tishri 15th-21st, pilgrimage required, commemorates Israelites' wilderness experience, antitype: the 1000 year reign with Christ in heaven.

Eighth Day of Assembly: Tishri 22nd, former rain falls, field plowed and seeds sown, antitype: earth made new, a new begining.

Not really a chart since it doesn't work here.
 
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See...obviously some of those have not been fulfilled.

I'm tellin' ya, it's been weighing on my heart something fierce lately.

When I used to chat in Yahoo chat, I was basically beaten over the head with the feasts to the point that I'd literally feel myself gritting my teeth when someone would bring them up (which was ALL the time).

With a new understanding of Colossians 2, though, I don't see any way around it. I guess God knew I wasn't ready until now.

Christ was very clear that there were some things in the Law of Moses, in the prophets and in the psalms, that concerned HIM, and that He'd fulfill them and they would END. (Luke 24:44 & Luke 22:37)

"shadow of things to come"..........after the cross...that means we have a shadow NOW of things to come and it's not the first coming...it's the SECOND one (hallelujah!)
 
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Here is a chart I made

7th day sabbath: commemorates creation, antitype: none

New Moon: 1st of every month, the beginning of a lunar cycle, antitype: spiritual renewing

Passover: Nisan (1st month) 14th, pilgrimage required, commemorates: the passover in Egypt, antitype: Christ's death

Feast of Unleavened Bread: Nisan 15th-21st, commemorates Israelites' freeing from bondage, antitype: sinless in Jesus

First Fruit: Nisan 16th, first fruit of barley harvest, antitype: Jesus the first fruit of resurrection

Pentecost: Sivan(3rd month) 6th, 50th day after First Fruit, latter rain falls, pilgrimage required, commemorates the giving of the law at Sinai, antitype: the first great outpouring of the holy spirit

Feast of Trumpets: Tishri(7th month) 1st. Warns the land of Israel of the Day of Judgment(Yom Kippur) in 10 days. Antitype: the Millerites proclaiming the judgment hour prior to the 7th month of 1844.

Day of Atonement: Tishri 10th, annual day of judgment, the sanctuary was cleansed on this day, antitype: Christ entered in the judgment phase of the atonement since 1844.

Feast of Tabernacle: Tishri 15th-21st, pilgrimage required, commemorates Israelites' wilderness experience, antitype: the 1000 year reign with Christ

Eighth Day of Assembly: Tishri 22nd, former rain falls, field plowed and seeds sown, antitype: earth made new, a new begining

Not really a chart since it doesn't work here.
Thanks for that.
 
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Yes, thank you for presenting where the feasts of God are located in scripture.

"These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time....." Then continuing she writes, "In like manner the types which relate to the second advent must be fulfilled at the time pointed out in the symbolic service." Great Controversy, p. 399, 400. E.G. White

I have a special interest in the highlighted part of her statement.

Remember the harbinger mentioned in the "Great Controversy" just before Jerusalem fell. ... well, Mark Blitz made a connectioned between the feasts of the Lord and eclipses here and does this connection make sense to you?
 
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Yes, thank you for presenting where the feasts of God are located in scripture.

"These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time....." Then continuing she writes, "In like manner the types which relate to the second advent must be fulfilled at the time pointed out in the symbolic service." Great Controversy, p. 399, 400. E.G. White

I have a special interest in the highlighted part of her statement.

Remember the harbinger mentioned in the "Great Controversy" just before Jerusalem fell. ... well, Mark Blitz made a connectioned between the feasts of the Lord and eclipses here and does this connection make sense to you?

Hi

I watched most of part 1 video. I have to say I disagree with just about everything they said there. I'm going to give my input. I know you are a MJ. I don't mean these as offensive to the Jews, but just the biblical truth. I don't mind you giving your comments and thoughts here.

In general, Adventists and protestants historically hold the Historicist interpretations. That is to say we do not accept the Futurist interpretations.

The final events and the final battle is between Christ and His people vs Satan and His people. It's not about the nation of Israel, a unbelieving nation. The Jews hasn't been the people of God since the 70 week prophecy ended in 37AD.

Didn't Jesus Himself say to the Jews the kingdom of God shall be taken away and given to a nation that brings forth fruit? Didn't James call the new Christian believers the 12 tribes? Didn't Peter designate the new Christians a holy nation, a perculiar people, a royal priesthood (as Moses designated the nation of Israel just after God led them out of darkness)? Didn't Paul say if you are Christ's you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise?

The 70 weeks will not end at 2015AD because it ended at 37AD. There is no verses that says the tribulation will be 7 years. That came from the last week of the 70 weeks. But that's some gap theory of 2000 years! Look at the last week, that's about the Messiah, isn't it? Jesus had fulfilled that when He was on this earth. In the midst of the week, He shall be cut off. Wasn't He crucified after 3.5 years? And then the gospel was preached to Jews exclusively 'til 37AD when Stephen was stoned? What happened after the stoning, the gospel turned the gentiles. God called Paul to preach the gospel to the Greeks.

Yes, there was solar eclipse when Christ on the cross. And if you are looking for them, there was a solar eclipse and stars falling from heaven during 1800's religious revival movement when the Feast of Trumpet (the sixth trumpet) and Day of Atonement were fulfilled.

I don't believe 1967 eclipse had any significance. The political zionists is the left arm of the papacy against her right arm: Islamic extremists to stage an exhaustive conflict to the end to bring in the cosmic christ (not Jesus). This is called the Third World War (D. Cheney called this a global conflict that can last for decades) devised by Albert Pike, the southern Confederate general, a 33 degree free mason. The first two world wars had happened exactly according to the plan.

The first WW was designed to rid the Russian Tsars the protector of the orthodox church the bitter rival of the Roman Catholic church and to get America involved in a world governing body (the League of Nations).

The Second WW was designed to create so much strife for the Jews that they would want to go back to the land of Palestine and form their own country and to get into the world governing body (United Nations).

The third WW was designed to create unrest between the jews (and foundamental christians) and their counterpart Muslims that they exhaust themselves to the end and would want to welcome the universal christ.

This is thesis and antithesis and you have the synthesis. Or the phoenix rises out of the ashes, if you will. This is the satanic plan of using polito and religio convergence to usher in the one world government and one world religion new world order. And the political zionists and the foundamental christians are playing right into the plan of Satan.

I remember once you said you believe Ellen White's writings were inspired. Is this truth? Then why don't you read the Great Controversy. These issues are addressed in this book. Yes, I believe the last days events will take place in like manner of how they are prophesized and illustrated in the economy of Israel. But I don't believe the unbelieving literal nation of Israel is the fulfillment of the last days events.

I hope you are not offended by what I wrote. Please take them to heart and check the bible to see if it was so. God bless!
 
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Hi

I watched most of part 1 video. I have to say I disagree with just about everything they said there. I'm going to give my input. I know you are a MJ. I don't mean these as offensive to the Jews, but just the biblical truth. I don't mind you giving your comments and thoughts here.

In general, Adventists and protestants historically hold the Historicist interpretations. That is to say we do not accept the Futurist interpretations.

The final events and the final battle is between Christ and His people vs Satan and His people. It's not about the nation of Israel, a unbelieving nation. The Jews hasn't been the people of God since the 70 week prophecy ended in 37AD.

Didn't Jesus Himself say to the Jews the kingdom of God shall be taken away and given to a nation that brings forth fruit? Didn't James call the new Christian believers the 12 tribes? Didn't Peter designate the new Christians a holy nation, a perculiar people, a royal priesthood (as Moses designated the nation of Israel just after God led them out of darkness)? Didn't Paul say if you are Christ's you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise?

The 70 weeks will not end at 2015AD because it ended at 37AD. There is no verses that says the tribulation will be 7 years. That came from the last week of the 70 weeks. But that's some gap theory of 2000 years! Look at the last week, that's about the Messiah, isn't it? Jesus had fulfilled that when He was on this earth. In the midst of the week, He shall be cut off. Wasn't He crucified after 3.5 years? And then the gospel was preached to Jews exclusively 'til 37AD when Stephen was stoned? What happened after the stoning, the gospel turned the gentiles. God called Paul to preach the gospel to the Greeks.

Yes, there was solar eclipse when Christ on the cross. And if you are looking for them, there was a solar eclipse and stars falling from heaven during 1800's religious revival movement when the Feast of Trumpet (the sixth trumpet) and Day of Atonement were fulfilled.

I don't believe 1967 eclipse had any significance. The political zionists is the left arm of the papacy against her right arm: Islamic extremists to stage an exhaustive conflict to the end to bring in the cosmic christ (not Jesus). This is called the Third World War (D. Cheney called this a global conflict that can last for decades) devised by Albert Pike, the southern Confederate general, a 33 degree free mason. The first two world wars had happened exactly according to the plan.

The first WW was designed to rid the Russian Tsars the protector of the orthodox church the bitter rival of the Roman Catholic church and to get America involved in a world governing body (the League of Nations).

The Second WW was designed to create so much strife for the Jews that they would want to go back to the land of Palestine and form their own country and to get into the world governing body (United Nations).

The third WW was designed to create unrest between the jews (and foundamental christians) and their counterpart Muslims that they exhaust themselves to the end and would want to welcome the universal christ.

This is thesis and antithesis and you have the synthesis. Or the phoenix rises out of the ashes, if you will. This is the satanic plan of using polito and religio convergence to usher in the one world government and one world religion new world order. And the political zionists and the foundamental christians are playing right into the plan of Satan.

I remember once you said you believe Ellen White's writings were inspired. Is this truth? Then why don't you read the Great Controversy. These issues are addressed in this book. Yes, I believe the last days events will take place in like manner of how they are prophesized and illustrated in the economy of Israel. But I don't believe the unbelieving literal nation of Israel is the fulfillment of the last days events.

I hope you are not offended by what I wrote. Please take them to heart and check the bible to see if it was so. God bless!
no offense taken...I hope you are not offended by me either.... it is a historical position that your church has taken and you are holding to it... even if EGW was not around to see the rebirth of the nation of Israel. I appreciate you taking the time to taking a look at the video anyway.:wave:

By the way I loved "The Great Controversy" and especially the 1888 edition. Just remember EGW said there would be more light.
 
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no offense taken...I hope you are not offended by me either.... it is a historical position that your church has taken and you are holding to it... even if EGW was not around to see the rebirth of the nation of Israel. I appreciate you taking the time to taking a look at the video anyway.:wave:

By the way I loved "The Great Controversy" and especially the 1888 edition. Just remember EGW said there would be more light.

EGW didn't need to be around to see the rebirth of Israel just as the writers of the endtime prophecies didn't need to see actual events, IF they were inspired by a divine mind.

Yes, there will be new light, but based on the lights we have already received and not contrary to them.
 
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Am I way off in saying that I don't understand why Israel is always referred to as a nation, when in scripture it was referring to a MAN and his offspring?

Israel in the Old Testament was Jacob and his children which was a type for in the New Testament Jesus and His followers.

If the bible is a tale of two cities and the Babylon of the endtime is spiritual, then what about Israel of the end?

Didn't Jesus say the Jews would be scattered and their House left desolate? Because the political and banking elites of Europe and America rebuilt Israel and try to rebuild the temple, the students of the Bible should not be deceived.
 
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Israel in the Old Testament was Jacob and his children which was a type for in the New Testament Jesus and His followers.

If the bible is a tale of two cities and the Babylon of the endtime is spiritual, then what about Israel of the end?

Didn't Jesus say the Jews would be scattered and their House left desolate? Because the political and banking elites of Europe and America rebuilt Israel and try to rebuild the temple, the students of the Bible should not be deceived.

Okay, whew! I thought I was missing something.

Doesn't Romans 9 talk about the children that aren't born in the nation but of the man?
 
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Okay, whew! I thought I was missing something.

Doesn't Romans 9 talk about the children that aren't born in the nation but of the man?

Romans 9 clearly talks the children of flesh (physical Jews but unbelievers) are not the children of God, but the children of promise (that is through faith) are the children of God, which is constant with the rest of his writings.
 
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Romans 9 clearly talks the children of flesh (physical Jews but unbelievers) are not the children of God, but the children of promise (that is through faith) are the children of God, which is constant with the rest of his writings.

I absolutely agree.

Here's some important verses too (I've been arguing with Tall about circumcision):

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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