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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Our rejection of homosexuality makes me feel very guilty at times since I cannot find valid reason about rejecting it, i don’t find valid reasons to reject it, and I’m having trouble figuring why would God ban people from just being themselves?

Ethically and morally it falls into the same category as sex outside of marriage. But they have now fought for and won the right to marriage so that would seem to be the answer sought by God? Except that is not what the Potter had made the vessel for. The vessels main function (seemingly only) (outside of the use by God) is production of new vessels, which they are incapable of.
Hence they are in the dreaded stigmatic position of being married but barren. Yet the New Testament has made arrangements for the barren to be more productive than the married woman. It's dizzying all the implications.
Bottom line, all that I can find is that they, as with everyone else, are at the mercy of Jesus of Nazareth to find out if one's first love is in the right place. Ultimately the Father is looking for fit companions for His Son in eternity. So I guess it all depends on the character of God.
Judged from that standpoint I can only imagine that He views it still as whether the vessel has been productive for the use made.
Bottom line is that they could be be redeemed, just like everyone else, according to whether they have been a vessel of use to Him.

 

[tbenedetto]

North America you are so brainwashed

 

[Southernscotty]

I believe all addictions, anger and sexual issues and such things stem from a sinful heart. It is a "heart" issue that needs to be addressed.
We can blame anything or anyone we want, but it comes down to the fact that all of us are fallen and only Jesus Christ can atone for our sinfulness.

 

[Southernscotty]

Let me share this if I may :] I go to jails and prisons as chaplain and the men and women that I see are all the same to me. Pedofiles, Murderers, Druggies, Thieves, It doesn't matter, They all have sinned and need Christ as their sin atonement. To me sin is sin and I therefore cannot judge the degree of it, That is God's job. I am just supposed to show these people love and offer them forgiveness as I share God's Word with them.
Is being gay the same? Yes it is, It is a sin. So is judging so I refuse to judge anyone, However it would be a lie for me to say that it is ok, so I will not.

 

[Ken Rank]

Every person has a weak area in their lives that we struggle against. For one it might be a draw to the same sex when God very clearly calls that action an abomination. For another, he might be so proud as to covet all that others have. Others might find it difficult to fully submit to God and drift toward other gods (in whatever form they appear in... i.e. money, fame, etc.?) and others have such an independent streak in them that they might find it easy to not honor their parents. If this is "just them being themselves," and yet those actions stand in contrast to God's will and character... then isn't that our personal challenge? To overcome those things we might find easy to do but that do not stand in harmony with God's will and character?

If we are going to say that a homosexual is just being themselves, then if we are going to be consistent, shouldn't we just let Jeffrey Dahmer be himself? Do we let out seriel rapists so they can "just be themselves?" Sin is sin... we don't define it, God does and God does not change. Just because our culture has determined that ____ is now acceptable does NOT mean that God finds it acceptable.

 

[Desk trauma]

If we are going to say that a homosexual is just being themselves, then if we are going to be consistent, shouldn't we just let Jeffrey Dahmer be himself? Do we let out seriel rapists so they can "just be themselves?

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of consent?

 

[RDKirk]

Every person has a weak area in their lives that we struggle against. For one it might be a draw to the same sex when God very clearly calls that action an abomination. For another, he might be so proud as to covet all that others have. Others might find it difficult to fully submit to God and drift toward other gods (in whatever form they appear in... i.e. money, fame, etc.?) and others have such an independent streak in them that they might find it easy to not honor their parents. If this is "just them being themselves," and yet those actions stand in contrast to God's will and character... then isn't that our personal challenge? To overcome those things we might find easy to do but that do not stand in harmony with God's will and character?

If we are going to say that a homosexual is just being themselves, then if we are going to be consistent, shouldn't we just let Jeffrey Dahmer be himself? Do we let out seriel rapists so they can "just be themselves?" Sin is sin... we don't define it, God does and God does not change. Just because our culture has determined that ____ is now acceptable does NOT mean that God finds it acceptable.

Yes. Actually, God is always opposed to us "just being ourselves."

Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. -- Romans 8

 

[Ken Rank]

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of consent?

Don't insult me. You are an atheist and are coming at this question from the position that God does not exist. I am not... He not only does (for me) but I submit to His authority. Therefore, if God says that homosexuality is a sin, then it is sin. That doesn't mean I hate the homosexual, that doesn't even mean that God hates the homosexual... it means that ACT is a sin. So consent or not, it is still sin and there isn't any reasoning you can use to change my mind. Sorry, but God's word, for me, stands above man's opinions and reasoning.

 

[Desk trauma]

Don't insult me. You are an atheist and are coming at this question from the position that God does not exist. I am not... He not only does (for me) but I submit to His authority. Therefore, if God says that homosexuality is a sin, then it is sin. That doesn't mean I hate the homosexual, that doesn't even mean that God hates the homosexual... it means that ACT is a sin. So consent or not, it is still sin and there isn't any reasoning you can use to change my mind. Sorry, but God's word, for me, stands above man's opinions and reasoning.

If you will look at my post closely you will see that I made no mention of homosexuality being sinful or not sinful. You lumped in consensual sex with murder, cannablism and rape so I couldn’t help but wonder if you we unfamiliar what makes those thing different.

 

[Ken Rank]

If you will look at my post closely you will see that I made no mention of homosexuality being sinful or not sinful. You lumped in consensual sex with murder, cannablism and rape so I couldn’t help but wonder if you we unfamiliar what makes those thing different.

You inferred that if something is consensual (i.e. out of wedlock sex or homosexual sex) then that is different than murder and rape because there is no consent. I got your point, I disagree... sin is still sin whether it is consensual or not.

 

[Desk trauma]

You inferred that if something is consensual (i.e. out of wedlock sex or homosexual sex) then that is different than murder and rape because there is no consent. I got your point, I disagree... sin is still sin whether it is consensual or not.

Consensual sex is the same as murder, rape and cannabalism, lol. Wow.

If that is the case would you like to see similar legal sanctions for homosexuals as for rapists and murders? If its just as bad shouldn’t it be just as harshly felt with?

 

[angeltrue]

Let me share this if I may :] I go to jails and prisons as chaplain and the men and women that I see are all the same to me. Pedofiles, Murderers, Druggies, Thieves, It doesn't matter, They all have sinned and need Christ as their sin atonement. To me sin is sin and I therefore cannot judge the degree of it, That is God's job. I am just supposed to show these people love and offer them forgiveness as I share God's Word with them.
Is being gay the same? Yes it is, It is a sin. So is judging so I refuse to judge anyone, However it would be a lie for me to say that it is ok, so I will not.

How can someone get involved in a prison ministry? I've often thought of that verse "I was in prison and you didn't visit..."

 

[Ken Rank]

Consensual sex is the same as murder, rape and cannabalism, lol. Wow.

If that is the case would you like to see similar legal sanctions for homosexuals as for rapists and murders? If its just as bad shouldn’t it be just as harshly felt with?

Consensual sex outside of marriage is considered a sin. Murder is considered a sin. Rape is considered a sin. Cannibalism is considered a sin.

As for any legal ramifications... there are none in that this is a secular society that doesn't live by God's moral code. So... while homosexuality remains a sin, it is legal in this land and I have no choice but to respect that... I don't have the authority (nor desire - God can deal with this in His timing) to do anything about it.

And just so you know... I am not putting out of wedlock sex on the same level as rape or murder... I am simply stating that in the eyes of God, each is considered a sin.

Take care... I have to run.

 

[Southernscotty]

How can someone get involved in a prison ministry? I've often thought of that verse "I was in prison and you didn't visit..."

Hi there, It is really not hard at all. I am an ordained licensed pastor so I can come and go, However you need a certificate signed by your church that you represent xxxxx denomination and they refer you as capable of ministry.
Then you have to get fingerprinted and background checked and then you will be issued a card that you show upon entering the guard tower. Usually the facility chaplain will put you through some training and I highly recommend reading chaplain material before entering so that you do not get caught up in some scheme or game that inmates like to play.
Each jail and prison is a little different, but I promise you this is one very rewarding ministry and you will never regret it. If I can help in anyway please feel free to message me :]

 

[Strathos]

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