Imputed Righteousness

[turned around]

Good Morning,

Do you believe in imputed righteousness?

 

[Andrea411]

Good Morning,

Do you believe in imputed righteousness?

yes….

http://www.theopedia.com/Imputed_righteousness

Imputed righteousness is a theological concept directly related to the doctrine of Justification. It is particularly prevalent in the Reformed tradition.

"Justification is that step in salvation in which God declares the believer righteous. Protestant theology has emphasized that this includes the imputation of Christ's righteousness (crediting it to the believer's "account"), whereas Roman Catholic theology emphasizes that God justifies in accord with an infused righteousness merited by Christ and maintained by the believer's good works," (Elwell Evangelical Dictionary). Imputed righteousness therefore means that upon repentance and belief in Christ, individuals are forensically declared righteous. This righteousness is not the believer's own, rather it is Christ's own righteousness 'imputed' to the believer.

A primary line of argumentation for this doctrine maintains that perfect righteousness or holiness is necessary to be with God. All mankind "fall short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23) because all their 'righteousness' is like filthy rags (Is 64:6) before the throne of God, and so all are "dead in their trespasses and sins" (Eph 2:1), and as a result "will not come into [God's] light for fear that their evil deeds will be revealed" (John 3:20). All mankind is in this predicament because all are the offspring of Adam and Eve (Rom 5) who originally sinned against God. As a result of Adam's fall, the world was cursed and sin entered the world. But upon confession of one's own sin and faith in Christ's death and resurrection, the sinner is justified and counted as having the righteousness of Christ.

Although all of Christianity would agree that Christ is the believer's chief representative and head before the perfect holiness of God, not all would agree that Christ's righteousness is imputed to the believer. In some circles, imputed righteousness is referred to as positive imputation - where the believer receives the righteousness of Christ. It stands in contrast to negative imputation - where the sin and judgment due to the repenting sinner is imputed to Christ. Virtually all would agree with the latter, but not all will agree with the former. The debate turns on a number of Bible verses not the least of which deal with what and whose righteousness was credited to Abraham when he believed God (Genesis 15:5-6).

Imputed righteousness is one of the classic doctrines of Protestantism and traces back through the Reformers - chiefly John Calvin and Martin Luther. These men stood against the Roman Catholic doctrine of infused righteousness where the righteousness of the saints and of Christ is gradually infused to the believer through the sacraments. For the Catholic, infused righteousness either gradually dissipates as the believer takes part in worldly sins or is enhanced by good works. If the believer dies without having the fullness of righteousness, coming in part from the last rites, he or she will temporarily spend time in purgatory until the sinful status is purged from his or her record.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
Thanks Andrea, I for years had no understanding on this truth. I was always trying to do better, or do more. It never sank in that the Father declared me righteous because of Jesus. Not understanding that God was my Abba, the second Jesus came in my heart. Missing these truths stunted my spiritual growth. I would become paralyzed with fear, and condemnation. Not being able to follow through with my commitment to God.

I always believed that God wanted me to do so much. I felt so obligated, people to save, heal, and minister to. Then on top of that maintain this super relationship before God. Boy that was alot of work(lol). Then some how the truth of imputed righteousness snuck in. I'm declared righteousness, he is my Abba, I have intimate fellowship with him.

Then I started to walk in works he alone has prepared for "little o me" these are gloves that fit my hands. Imputed righteousness, what a GOD he is, I'm totally complete in Christ.

Grace to you

 

[Optimax]

Righteousness was imputed (reckoned) to Abraham.

Rom 4:22
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. KJV


When you were born again you were made, not just righteous.

You were made the righteousness of God in him.

2 Cor 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. KJV

What do you think is better?

Imputed or made.

 

[Giver]

No! Jesus told us we are righteous if we live his Word.

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

The righteous will be in the kingdom of God, and Jesus said the righteous are those who keep his Word.

The only way to love God is to obey him, and do as he told us to do.

 

[Faulty]

Righteousness was imputed (reckoned) to Abraham.

Rom 4:22
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. KJV


When you were born again you were made, not just righteous.

You were made the righteousness of God in him.

2 Cor 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. KJV

What do you think is better?

Imputed or made.

What he said.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
I gotta go with made with those choices.

 

[Frogster]

No! Jesus told us we are righteous if we live his Word.

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

The righteous will be in the kingdom of God, and Jesus said the righteous are those who keep his Word.

The only way to love God is to obey him, and do as he told us to do.

then why did Jeus say, he who believes is not condemend, as condemend is a leagal word, the opposite os justification? Does it say he who works, or believes like in John 3:18?


Not only that, he said they arleady passed from death to life, which is a chronological wordage, built ritght into the verse, all showing that once one believes, one is justified, and made alive, all in a nano second, at the moment one believes, not in 10 years, but as Abe was, in 15:6, and not by working.


John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

Why does it say.."has passed", as already done....?

 

[Frogster]

No! Jesus told us we are righteous if we live his Word.

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

The righteous will be in the kingdom of God, and Jesus said the righteous are those who keep his Word.

The only way to love God is to obey him, and do as he told us to do.

Paul based the whole gospel off of Abraham in Romans 4 and here.

Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”


Jew and Greek, what was writtten in the Bible, imputed righteousness, i could go on and on...imputed to Abe, imputed to us in like manner. Us, collective pronoun, for both parties, Jew and Greek.


Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

 

[turned around]

Frogster,
Good stuff!!!!!

 

[Frogster]

No! Jesus told us we are righteous if we live his Word.

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

The righteous will be in the kingdom of God, and Jesus said the righteous are those who keep his Word.

The only way to love God is to obey him, and do as he told us to do.

Then we have Acts 15, where Peter, James, and John, agreed with Paul on imputed righteousness, who knew it was faith and grace, that cleansed and saved us.


Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


Now for more elaboration on the events of Acts 15, see Galatians chapter 2, and also note the Abrahamic usage, especially in 3, imputed righteousness.


3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


Paul, like Peter, said faith and grace, and it was about Abraham, the imputed one, in Romans 4:16.


So the vast amount of Abrahamic usage, and the whole of the narrative, shows the imputation of righteousness, that like out father Abraham.

 

[Optimax]

No! Jesus told us we are righteous if we live his Word.

Giver you need to read some scriptures other than the ones you quote all the time over and over out of context.

Answer a question for me.

Does this scripture say that we were made the righteousness of God in him?

2 Cor 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. KJV

I made it bold for you.

 

[Frogster]

No! Jesus told us we are righteous if we live his Word.

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

The righteous will be in the kingdom of God, and Jesus said the righteous are those who keep his Word.

The only way to love God is to obey him, and do as he told us to do.

If you would like, I can show this also in romans 5, because Adam's condemantion was imputed to us as per 5;18, so that must mean that the second Adam's righteousness was imputed too. It had to be, or chapter 5 would not make sense.

Paul's headship argument of Rom 5, proves this handily.

Condemantion and being a sinner came from getting Adam's imputation, so obviously we also received the imputation of Christ, the last Adam. All showing imputation.


Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

It does not say worked to become a sinner, it says imputed as sinners, likewise we don't work to be righteous, it was imputed there also, equal imputation.

Nice to see ya bro, feel free to inquire if you wish to see more, thanks, frog.

 

[Giver]

Paul based the whole gospel off of Abraham in Romans 4 and here.

Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”


Jew and Greek, what was writtten in the Bible, imputed righteousness, i could go on and on...imputed to Abe, imputed to us in like manner. Us, collective pronoun, for both parties, Jew and Greek.


Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Yes and some people have based their theology on their understanding of what Paul was saying. Peter warned us about people who would do that.

(2 Peter 3:15-16) “Think of our Lord’s patience as your opportunity to be saved: our brother Paul, who is so dear to us, told you this when he wrote to you with the wisdom that is his special gift. He always writes like this when he deals with this sort of subject, and this makes some points in his letter hard to understand; these are the points that uneducated and unbalanced people distort, in the same way as they distort the rest of scripture a fatal thing for them to do.”

You use your understanding to dispute what Jesus said?

Remember what Jesus told us?

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

 

[Frogster]

Giver you need to read some scriptures other than the ones you quote all the time over and over out of context.

Answer a question for me.

Does this scripture say that we were made the righteousness of God in him?

2 Cor 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. KJV

I made it bold for you.

yep, and no mention of lukewarm or any other derogatory words there.

 

[turned around]

Hi Giver,
1 Timothy 6:3-5, we need to consent to the words Jesus spoke through the Apostle Paul.

 

[Frogster]

Yes and some people have based their theology on their understanding of what Paul was saying. Peter warned us about people who would do that.

(2 Peter 3:15-16) “Think of our Lord’s patience as your opportunity to be saved: our brother Paul, who is so dear to us, told you this when he wrote to you with the wisdom that is his special gift. He always writes like this when he deals with this sort of subject, and this makes some points in his letter hard to understand; these are the points that uneducated and unbalanced people distort, in the same way as they distort the rest of scripture a fatal thing for them to do.”

You use your understanding to dispute what Jesus said?

Remember what Jesus told us?

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Did Jesus tell the disciples there were some things that would be hard to understand, when they were on earth?

Yes, so he sent Paul to elaborate on grace, besides, you are not refutting my text, and the simple fact, that Peter, Paul, and even James knew best on this issue, so I go by the whole of the narrative.

Please refute my Abrahamic usage, thanks!


Ps, the twisted twist paul as per 2 peter 3. Are you saying i am twisted? Please try to read it a little bit closer, to see who peter was speaking about, the unsaved, the men spoken of in 2 Peter, and here..

2 Peter 3:3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.


Peter spoke of grace right in 1 peter 1, and the gospel, more proof that I am right.

 

[Giver]

Did Jesus tell the disciples there were some things that would be hard to understand, when they were on earth?

Yes, so he sent Paul to elaborate on grace, besides, you are not refutting my text, and the simple fact, that Peter, Paul, and even James knew best on this issue, so I go by the whole of the narrative.

Please refute my Abrahamic usage, thanks!


Ps, the twisted twist paul as per 2 peter 3. Are you saying i am twisted? Please try to read it a little bit closer, to see who peter was speaking about, the unsaved, the men spoken of in 2 Peter, and here..

2 Peter 3:3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.


Peter spoke of grace right in 1 peter 1, and the gospel, more proof that I am right.

No I am not going to play word games with you. What Jesus told us to do is very plain. If one wants to enter the kingdom of Heaven he or she has to live the whole Word of God.

If scripture says anything different then it is contradicting its self.

You can believe people’s understanding of what Paul wrote, but if it does not agree with what Jesus said then it is wrong.

 

[Frogster]

No I am not going to play word games with you. What Jesus told us to do is very plain. If one wants to enter the kingdom of Heaven he or she has to live the whole Word of God.

If scripture says anything different then it is contradicting its self.

You can believe people’s understanding of what Paul wrote, but if it does not agree with what Jesus said then it is wrong.

Sorry but this is contradictory post giver made. Jesus, Peter, Paul, James and John, all agree.

You are welcome to repsond to all of the Pauline Abrahmic usage if you want to, I actually have a bit more also, thanks, frog.

 

[Giver]

Sorry but this is contradictory post giver made. Jesus, Peter, Paul, James and John, all agree.

You are welcome to repsond to all of the Pauline Abrahmic usage if you want to, I actually have a bit more also, thanks, frog.

To believe in your understanding of what Paul wrote, you have to ignore what Jesus said, and what James said.

Of course you can change the subject, but that again is ignoring what Jesus said.