Hi, this is my first post here, and I joined because I believe I have some impeccable proof for the Biblical Flood as described in Genesis 7.
for aquatic species, no bottleneck.
for clean animals and birds, a bottleneck of population down to 7 males and 7 females
for the rest of the animals, a bottleneck down to 1 male and 1 female.
Furthermore, we know that the mitochondrial DNA is almost exclusively passed on only from mother to child, and the Y chromosome almost exclusively from father to son -- so there is one per pair. (the almost because I'm not completely sure of that). Finally, for diploid species we know the number of alleles is 2 alleles per individual, for each of the thousands of genes there are.
Per the biblical account, this limits the number of different alleles to at most the numbers in the above paragraph. Next, why this should be considered impeccable proof. Consider now the amount of species there are: estimates range from about 2-100 million species (less if we limit this to Kinds, but I don't know the numbers for that). Earlier I said the predictions described would be extremely unlikely. Now to put a number to this: consider the number of species, and the number of genes each species has on average. Multiply those two numbers together and you get the number of individual predictions made by the account of the biblical flood. That number would be at least 2 million species * 1,000 genes per species = 2 billion predictions. Each of those genes has to follow the pattern as described above.
Furthermore, by using a genetic clock (we count the corruption rate of DNA, and the total number of corruptions in the DNA), we can calculate a timeline for the genetic bottleneck. Each of the timelines should give the same number: the bottleneck occurred 4,300 years ago. That, then, is about 2 billion additional predictions. And these few billion predictions are even more specific than the previous ones.
Now about what I said about the predictions being extremely unlikely. Per the above, we can make billions of very specific predictions. The odds that billions of specific predictions just happen to be true (ie, were they random predictions) is pretty much impossible. Therefore, when such predictions are verified we can say with absolute certainty that it was not just a "lucky guess", no more than anyone could credibly say that guessing a billion digit number was just a "lucky guess". (This of course is how certainty in a scientific theory is calculated; the odds that your prediction was a "lucky guess" is the odds that the data does not support your theory). Given the impossibility of the predictions being explained by a "lucky guess", this translates to impeccable proof -- if the predictions can be verified.
OK, now is my question: Has anyone actually gathered the data to verify these predictions? If so, could you give a link to it? I'd dearly love to have something that directly supports a biblical creation to show my evolutionist friends, instead of arguing incessantly about holes in the evolutionary theory. Or, if no one has gathered this data, why not?
By summing geneaologies we know almost exactly when the flood happened:
We also know that at this point all the various species were wiped out except the aquatic ones and those that were on the ark. But can we prove it? Of course! The flood story makes a very specific, and very unlikely prediction: 4,300 years ago, there was a global genetic bottleneck in all species with the following specific criteria:
for aquatic species, no bottleneck.
for clean animals and birds, a bottleneck of population down to 7 males and 7 females
for the rest of the animals, a bottleneck down to 1 male and 1 female.
Furthermore, we know that the mitochondrial DNA is almost exclusively passed on only from mother to child, and the Y chromosome almost exclusively from father to son -- so there is one per pair. (the almost because I'm not completely sure of that). Finally, for diploid species we know the number of alleles is 2 alleles per individual, for each of the thousands of genes there are.
Per the biblical account, this limits the number of different alleles to at most the numbers in the above paragraph. Next, why this should be considered impeccable proof. Consider now the amount of species there are: estimates range from about 2-100 million species (less if we limit this to Kinds, but I don't know the numbers for that). Earlier I said the predictions described would be extremely unlikely. Now to put a number to this: consider the number of species, and the number of genes each species has on average. Multiply those two numbers together and you get the number of individual predictions made by the account of the biblical flood. That number would be at least 2 million species * 1,000 genes per species = 2 billion predictions. Each of those genes has to follow the pattern as described above.
Furthermore, by using a genetic clock (we count the corruption rate of DNA, and the total number of corruptions in the DNA), we can calculate a timeline for the genetic bottleneck. Each of the timelines should give the same number: the bottleneck occurred 4,300 years ago. That, then, is about 2 billion additional predictions. And these few billion predictions are even more specific than the previous ones.
Now about what I said about the predictions being extremely unlikely. Per the above, we can make billions of very specific predictions. The odds that billions of specific predictions just happen to be true (ie, were they random predictions) is pretty much impossible. Therefore, when such predictions are verified we can say with absolute certainty that it was not just a "lucky guess", no more than anyone could credibly say that guessing a billion digit number was just a "lucky guess". (This of course is how certainty in a scientific theory is calculated; the odds that your prediction was a "lucky guess" is the odds that the data does not support your theory). Given the impossibility of the predictions being explained by a "lucky guess", this translates to impeccable proof -- if the predictions can be verified.
OK, now is my question: Has anyone actually gathered the data to verify these predictions? If so, could you give a link to it? I'd dearly love to have something that directly supports a biblical creation to show my evolutionist friends, instead of arguing incessantly about holes in the evolutionary theory. Or, if no one has gathered this data, why not?
