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When I was fourteen years old I was "saved" and started to attend a local church that I now believe to be...well, whacked, for a lack of a better term. I went there for eight years on and off (off only when I moved away for a few years) and I have never, in all of my days, encountered a group of more hateful people.

My sister and I have been publicly humiliated because we are biracial (our parents, though married when we were conceived, are apparently evil because they dared to marry one another as one is white and the other is not). I have been called a harlot because I took birth control, on the advice of my doctor, to regulate problems I have (at my age, I am still a virgin). I felt called to write to prisoners, to encourage them and to lead them to God. I was told that I am stupid for such a desire, that God does not intend for us to do such things. I was chastised in front of the entire congregation (of course my name was not mentioned, but everyone knew he was talking about me) because I had tried to minister to prisoners through letters. I have a tattoo, from a wild period in my youth, and I have been told that it is the mark of a devil. It is only a rose, and I haven't the money to remove it, and I don't think that I would even if I did...I see it as part of me now, a battle scar, not a sign that I am wed to Satan.

My sister was told that the reason her first child died is because she married outside of the church (her husband is a Christian, just not a member of our former church). I was engaged to a man in my former church. He beat me. I was told that it was my fault, that if I was a good Christian woman that he wouldn't hit me. He cheated on me. Once again, this was my fault. He threatened to kill me. Everyone turned a blind eye when I reached out for help. And so I left him, because I could not stay. Suddenly I felt what it was like to be shunned. I was told to leave the church because I had refused to obey God (because I would not marry my fiancee). I was blacklisted. And although it has been nearly five years now since I last stepped foot in that church, whenever I see old church members they glare at me, or spit in my direction, or whisper loudly about how I am damned so that I can hear them say such things, or tell me that I am going to hell and that God hates me.

Ironically, any time that I seem to show a bit of interest in religion, I run into these folk and am reminded exactly why I left the faith.

I have tried going to a new church. The new church members were very nice to me. I was suspicious of them, because the only time people at my former church were ever nice to me was when they wanted something from me. I went a few times to this new church, but could not remain going there. I do not trust them when they smile at me or greet me.

I have tried to read the bible. I have no luck in this. Every time I look at one I am reminded of the hurt, and within a few days, even if it has been months since I have seen a member of my former church, without fail I run into one at the store and they mock me.

And still, sometimes, I remember the child-like faith I once had and miss it.

I went to Mexico in 2000. Oh it was a learning experience. People there were living in cardboard boxes but their faith was unlike anything I had ever seen around here. The Christians down there welcomed us so warmly, so genuinely. There was no condemnation to be had there. No one made fun of me because I am not white enough. They insisted that we sit in their folding metal chairs, an honor for they had so few of them, and the women touched my hair and said that I was beautiful. :cry: When I returned here, it was doubly hard because my hair, you understand, has always been the biggest problem...in the house of God it has been called "frizzy" if they were feeling kind, "nappy" if they were not. And my former pastor saying that if you are not rich God does not love you, your faith is weak, yet here were people who were so poor, who had so little to give, and I could not help but think that if there is a God, that he must surely love them the most, for they had little but were willing to give so much of that little. Some of them only had kind words to give, and yet they gave them to me, and never had I felt so connected to something bigger than me than I did there.

My heart is breaking anew as I write all of this down, because even though I have told myself that there is no God, and if there is that I do not want to be part of his people only to be ridiculed and mocked again, my heart still wishes for something more. But faith, I do not know how to find it. Any faith I did have has been stolen from me, or given away by me, and there is none to be found now.

I have been told that it is impossible to go back once you have left the church. My pastor himself said that if I left the church that there was no hope to be had for my soul. And yet, somehow, the soul still has a little speck of hope left, although it is very dim and grows dimmer by the year, until I am afraid that there shall soon be nothing left at all. The only thing that has been keeping it alive this long is those people in Mexico who changed my life so...but I cannot seem to find anyone like them up here, until I think that maybe I imagined them all and that they never existed.
 
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I imagine that this going to be long.

When I was fourteen years old I was "saved" and started to attend a local church that I now believe to be...well, whacked, for a lack of a better term. I went there for eight years on and off (off only when I moved away for a few years) and I have never, in all of my days, encountered a group of more hateful people.

My sister and I have been publicly humiliated because we are biracial (our parents, though married when we were conceived, are apparently evil because they dared to marry one another as one is white and the other is not). I have been called a harlot because I took birth control, on the advice of my doctor, to regulate problems I have (at my age, I am still a virgin). I felt called to write to prisoners, to encourage them and to lead them to God. I was told that I am stupid for such a desire, that God does not intend for us to do such things. I was chastised in front of the entire congregation (of course my name was not mentioned, but everyone knew he was talking about me) because I had tried to minister to prisoners through letters. I have a tattoo, from a wild period in my youth, and I have been told that it is the mark of a devil. It is only a rose, and I haven't the money to remove it, and I don't think that I would even if I did...I see it as part of me now, a battle scar, not a sign that I am wed to Satan.

My sister was told that the reason her first child died is because she married outside of the church (her husband is a Christian, just not a member of our former church). I was engaged to a man in my former church. He beat me. I was told that it was my fault, that if I was a good Christian woman that he wouldn't hit me. He cheated on me. Once again, this was my fault. He threatened to kill me. Everyone turned a blind eye when I reached out for help. And so I left him, because I could not stay. Suddenly I felt what it was like to be shunned. I was told to leave the church because I had refused to obey God (because I would not marry my fiancee). I was blacklisted. And although it has been nearly five years now since I last stepped foot in that church, whenever I see old church members they glare at me, or spit in my direction, or whisper loudly about how I am damned so that I can hear them say such things, or tell me that I am going to hell and that God hates me.

Ironically, any time that I seem to show a bit of interest in religion, I run into these folk and am reminded exactly why I left the faith.

I have tried going to a new church. The new church members were very nice to me. I was suspicious of them, because the only time people at my former church were ever nice to me was when they wanted something from me. I went a few times to this new church, but could not remain going there. I do not trust them when they smile at me or greet me.

I have tried to read the bible. I have no luck in this. Every time I look at one I am reminded of the hurt, and within a few days, even if it has been months since I have seen a member of my former church, without fail I run into one at the store and they mock me.

And still, sometimes, I remember the child-like faith I once had and miss it.

I went to Mexico in 2000. Oh it was a learning experience. People there were living in cardboard boxes but their faith was unlike anything I had ever seen around here. The Christians down there welcomed us so warmly, so genuinely. There was no condemnation to be had there. No one made fun of me because I am not white enough. They insisted that we sit in their folding metal chairs, an honor for they had so few of them, and the women touched my hair and said that I was beautiful. :cry: When I returned here, it was doubly hard because my hair, you understand, has always been the biggest problem...in the house of God it has been called "frizzy" if they were feeling kind, "nappy" if they were not. And my former pastor saying that if you are not rich God does not love you, your faith is weak, yet here were people who were so poor, who had so little to give, and I could not help but think that if there is a God, that he must surely love them the most, for they had little but were willing to give so much of that little. Some of them only had kind words to give, and yet they gave them to me, and never had I felt so connected to something bigger than me than I did there.

My heart is breaking anew as I write all of this down, because even though I have told myself that there is no God, and if there is that I do not want to be part of his people only to be ridiculed and mocked again, my heart still wishes for something more. But faith, I do not know how to find it. Any faith I did have has been stolen from me, or given away by me, and there is none to be found now.

I have been told that it is impossible to go back once you have left the church. My pastor himself said that if I left the church that there was no hope to be had for my soul. And yet, somehow, the soul still has a little speck of hope left, although it is very dim and grows dimmer by the year, until I am afraid that there shall soon be nothing left at all. The only thing that has been keeping it alive this long is those people in Mexico who changed my life so...but I cannot seem to find anyone like them up here, until I think that maybe I imagined them all and that they never existed.

Ohh :hug:

[FONT=&quot]Please Please understand that it's all about you and God not about you and other faulty human beings. Do not get God mixed up with the people who claim to believe Him.

Your story leads me to believe you where not rejecting God but you where rejecting people who did not have the love of Jesus in their hearts.

I would encourage you to base your faith on God and God alone. Build upon the Rock.

Be assured that God loves you and wants you to come to a personal relationship with Him through the Messiah Jesus. Once you have that then you will not be dependant on the sometimes quicksand that are the organizations that claim to represent Him.


I loving hope for you[/FONT] :hug:


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Hi xyz , I am very sorry to hear of the experience you have had and the hurt you have suffered at the hands of people claiming to represent Christ. What adstar has written though is dead on.

There was only one sin free person to ever walk this earth and that was Jesus Christ. The rest of us are all in need of His saving grace. The evidence of our fallen condition is all around us and evident in the people who have treated you so terribly. The one thing though that we cannot do is allow ourselves to be defined by anyone other than God. He alone sets the example for us.

There are other churches out there where that will most definately not be your experience. The main thing though is your own relationship with Christ. Spend some time with just you and Him - read the bible starting in the book of John and allow Him to speak to you.

Christ alone restores our relationship to God - the person who was the pastor who told you that you cannot be with God was errant. This is how you are a child of God :

[bible]Romans 10:9-10[/bible]

No one can seperate you from the love of God and there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ.
 
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:hug: You've been lied to. It is never impossible to return. Just know, there are many groups out there, and not all of them are concerned with or guided by the truth. Their lack of love shows that they didn't have the truth. God is real and loves everyone. His followers should also reflect and show this love. I've been where you are before and I know it is a painful road. I'm terrible at giving advice here (and the last thing you probably need right now is someone trying to push/proselytize you), but I'll make the offer to pray for you and you are more than welcome to pm me if you'd like for whatever reason.
 
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I imagine that this going to be long.

When I was fourteen years old I was "saved" and started to attend a local church that I now believe to be...well, whacked, for a lack of a better term. I went there for eight years on and off (off only when I moved away for a few years) and I have never, in all of my days, encountered a group of more hateful people.

My sister and I have been publicly humiliated because we are biracial (our parents, though married when we were conceived, are apparently evil because they dared to marry one another as one is white and the other is not). I have been called a harlot because I took birth control, on the advice of my doctor, to regulate problems I have (at my age, I am still a virgin). I felt called to write to prisoners, to encourage them and to lead them to God. I was told that I am stupid for such a desire, that God does not intend for us to do such things. I was chastised in front of the entire congregation (of course my name was not mentioned, but everyone knew he was talking about me) because I had tried to minister to prisoners through letters. I have a tattoo, from a wild period in my youth, and I have been told that it is the mark of a devil. It is only a rose, and I haven't the money to remove it, and I don't think that I would even if I did...I see it as part of me now, a battle scar, not a sign that I am wed to Satan.

My sister was told that the reason her first child died is because she married outside of the church (her husband is a Christian, just not a member of our former church). I was engaged to a man in my former church. He beat me. I was told that it was my fault, that if I was a good Christian woman that he wouldn't hit me. He cheated on me. Once again, this was my fault. He threatened to kill me. Everyone turned a blind eye when I reached out for help. And so I left him, because I could not stay. Suddenly I felt what it was like to be shunned. I was told to leave the church because I had refused to obey God (because I would not marry my fiancee). I was blacklisted. And although it has been nearly five years now since I last stepped foot in that church, whenever I see old church members they glare at me, or spit in my direction, or whisper loudly about how I am damned so that I can hear them say such things, or tell me that I am going to hell and that God hates me.

Ironically, any time that I seem to show a bit of interest in religion, I run into these folk and am reminded exactly why I left the faith.

I have tried going to a new church. The new church members were very nice to me. I was suspicious of them, because the only time people at my former church were ever nice to me was when they wanted something from me. I went a few times to this new church, but could not remain going there. I do not trust them when they smile at me or greet me.

I have tried to read the bible. I have no luck in this. Every time I look at one I am reminded of the hurt, and within a few days, even if it has been months since I have seen a member of my former church, without fail I run into one at the store and they mock me.

And still, sometimes, I remember the child-like faith I once had and miss it.

I went to Mexico in 2000. Oh it was a learning experience. People there were living in cardboard boxes but their faith was unlike anything I had ever seen around here. The Christians down there welcomed us so warmly, so genuinely. There was no condemnation to be had there. No one made fun of me because I am not white enough. They insisted that we sit in their folding metal chairs, an honor for they had so few of them, and the women touched my hair and said that I was beautiful. :cry: When I returned here, it was doubly hard because my hair, you understand, has always been the biggest problem...in the house of God it has been called "frizzy" if they were feeling kind, "nappy" if they were not. And my former pastor saying that if you are not rich God does not love you, your faith is weak, yet here were people who were so poor, who had so little to give, and I could not help but think that if there is a God, that he must surely love them the most, for they had little but were willing to give so much of that little. Some of them only had kind words to give, and yet they gave them to me, and never had I felt so connected to something bigger than me than I did there.

My heart is breaking anew as I write all of this down, because even though I have told myself that there is no God, and if there is that I do not want to be part of his people only to be ridiculed and mocked again, my heart still wishes for something more. But faith, I do not know how to find it. Any faith I did have has been stolen from me, or given away by me, and there is none to be found now.

I have been told that it is impossible to go back once you have left the church. My pastor himself said that if I left the church that there was no hope to be had for my soul. And yet, somehow, the soul still has a little speck of hope left, although it is very dim and grows dimmer by the year, until I am afraid that there shall soon be nothing left at all. The only thing that has been keeping it alive this long is those people in Mexico who changed my life so...but I cannot seem to find anyone like them up here, until I think that maybe I imagined them all and that they never existed.

Hi, what a sad story to read. I am sorry you went through all this.

It took me one year to recover from legalsim in a church. While it never reflected on my faith in God, I could not read the bible as it yelled at me as did the pastor (tho he didn't audibly yell) but condemnation sounds like yelling even when in the softest voice.

This was all done from the pulpit, the legalism.

After about a year, I was healed enough to be able to read the bible again without hearing screaming. The experience never meant anything about God at all of course, it was about the killng of the spirit as legalism does.

The experience was about not God but about people, a pastor teaching slavery and weights etc, those very things which Jesus removed from us when we came to Christ.

You will go thru something akin to post traumatic feelings for some time where as you described even at another church tho they seemed kind you just didint' trust such in the least.

And is due to what you went thru.

When people do and say as they did to you takes time to recover and to realize not all people are that way.

So, that will take healing, and can bring it to God every time it comes up in your thoughts and tell him whatever the thought is and to heal you.

This may be an all day process, every day process and long time process, bringing the hurts, lies, an pain to God and we know from the bible to take all thoughts captive to Jesus to make them obedient to Him.

As you know of course there are many bad churches out there and many good ones as well. I'm glad in your trip Mexico you were reminded by God that there are wonderful people out there.

How awesome to have experienced what you did.

So, no one never loses their salvation, and again the pastor lied to you about such, and also as pertains to leaving the church. He's a sick manipulative person to have said such. In other words, he can not handle someone leaving so called his church (which it is, as doesn't sound like it's of God) his ego can not handle someone leaving so resorts to terror to try to keep people from leaving. As he is not preachng truth, and to boot all those in the church infected with sounds like the same problem, you wre n a bad church.

The thing to do, is get your truths from the bible, so that you are wearing the armor and can spot lies.

And just be sure you are solidly grounded in Christ so that no one may trouble you as to such as the pastors lies and the other lies.

And when you visit a church, if you spot stuff you know is not right, run fast and far as soon as such is spoken, as is another bad church. Don't even sit thru the sermon.

But hon, yeah, what he said is untrue. Again no one can ever lose their salvation (tho of course there are different theolgies) and what he said is a lie, that you would lose your soul if left that chuch.

So, work on healing (through bringing thoughts, pain, hurt, memories etc ) to Jesus, and immerse yourself in the bible when you are able to; so that you may not be decieved or when lied to and attempts to decieve, you will have in your heart scripture which counters the lies and deciepts.

And of course you know that how a Christian is is not who God is.

Which is why important to focus on Christ, and not Christians, as Christans fall and fail, but Christ never does, for He is God. So all what you went thru is not a reflection of God.

God bless,
tapero p.s i can only see thru one eye at the moment so was hard typig this out and probably not written very well.
 
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PEACE.....WHAT YOU ARE REALLY SEARCHING FOR IS GOD YES, BUT ALSO "COMMUNITY" - I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH OTHERS WHO ARE THE SAME, BUT REMEMBER EVEN THE APOSTLES WERE NOT ALWAYS OF THE SAME MIND AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, AND YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS FIND PERFECTION IN THE HARMONY YOU SEEK. UNDERSTANDING OTHERS IN THEIR GOOD AND BAD MOMENTS IS ALSO A TIME FOR US TO LEARN OR TEACH AND SOMETIMES JUST BE PATIENT AND PRAY.....GOD BLESS!"ORTHROS":crosseo:
 
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I am so sorry to hear what you have been through. There are bad people everywhere, even in church. They were wrong to treat you as they did, this is entirely unchristian like.

You were absolutely right to leave the congregation. And I am glad that you did.

By leaving a congregation, you are not leaving the church. The church is the body of christ - and it is comprised of all the congregations. So, you have not left the church.

Even if you did feel that you had left the church, you can always come back - just don't go back to that congregation.

Please do not be fearful of another congregation - I think you will find that the majority of christians and congregations are nice, kind people. Continue to pray and look for another congregation.

Goodluck and come back here to give us an update. We will be your support in all this.
 
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I imagine that this going to be long.

When I was fourteen years old I was "saved" and started to attend a local church that I now believe to be...well, whacked, for a lack of a better term. I went there for eight years on and off (off only when I moved away for a few years) and I have never, in all of my days, encountered a group of more hateful people.

My sister and I have been publicly humiliated because we are biracial (our parents, though married when we were conceived, are apparently evil because they dared to marry one another as one is white and the other is not). I have been called a harlot because I took birth control, on the advice of my doctor, to regulate problems I have (at my age, I am still a virgin). I felt called to write to prisoners, to encourage them and to lead them to God. I was told that I am stupid for such a desire, that God does not intend for us to do such things. I was chastised in front of the entire congregation (of course my name was not mentioned, but everyone knew he was talking about me) because I had tried to minister to prisoners through letters. I have a tattoo, from a wild period in my youth, and I have been told that it is the mark of a devil. It is only a rose, and I haven't the money to remove it, and I don't think that I would even if I did...I see it as part of me now, a battle scar, not a sign that I am wed to Satan.

My sister was told that the reason her first child died is because she married outside of the church (her husband is a Christian, just not a member of our former church). I was engaged to a man in my former church. He beat me. I was told that it was my fault, that if I was a good Christian woman that he wouldn't hit me. He cheated on me. Once again, this was my fault. He threatened to kill me. Everyone turned a blind eye when I reached out for help. And so I left him, because I could not stay. Suddenly I felt what it was like to be shunned. I was told to leave the church because I had refused to obey God (because I would not marry my fiancee). I was blacklisted. And although it has been nearly five years now since I last stepped foot in that church, whenever I see old church members they glare at me, or spit in my direction, or whisper loudly about how I am damned so that I can hear them say such things, or tell me that I am going to hell and that God hates me.

Ironically, any time that I seem to show a bit of interest in religion, I run into these folk and am reminded exactly why I left the faith.

I have tried going to a new church. The new church members were very nice to me. I was suspicious of them, because the only time people at my former church were ever nice to me was when they wanted something from me. I went a few times to this new church, but could not remain going there. I do not trust them when they smile at me or greet me.

I have tried to read the bible. I have no luck in this. Every time I look at one I am reminded of the hurt, and within a few days, even if it has been months since I have seen a member of my former church, without fail I run into one at the store and they mock me.

And still, sometimes, I remember the child-like faith I once had and miss it.

I went to Mexico in 2000. Oh it was a learning experience. People there were living in cardboard boxes but their faith was unlike anything I had ever seen around here. The Christians down there welcomed us so warmly, so genuinely. There was no condemnation to be had there. No one made fun of me because I am not white enough. They insisted that we sit in their folding metal chairs, an honor for they had so few of them, and the women touched my hair and said that I was beautiful. :cry: When I returned here, it was doubly hard because my hair, you understand, has always been the biggest problem...in the house of God it has been called "frizzy" if they were feeling kind, "nappy" if they were not. And my former pastor saying that if you are not rich God does not love you, your faith is weak, yet here were people who were so poor, who had so little to give, and I could not help but think that if there is a God, that he must surely love them the most, for they had little but were willing to give so much of that little. Some of them only had kind words to give, and yet they gave them to me, and never had I felt so connected to something bigger than me than I did there.

My heart is breaking anew as I write all of this down, because even though I have told myself that there is no God, and if there is that I do not want to be part of his people only to be ridiculed and mocked again, my heart still wishes for something more. But faith, I do not know how to find it. Any faith I did have has been stolen from me, or given away by me, and there is none to be found now.

I have been told that it is impossible to go back once you have left the church. My pastor himself said that if I left the church that there was no hope to be had for my soul. And yet, somehow, the soul still has a little speck of hope left, although it is very dim and grows dimmer by the year, until I am afraid that there shall soon be nothing left at all. The only thing that has been keeping it alive this long is those people in Mexico who changed my life so...but I cannot seem to find anyone like them up here, until I think that maybe I imagined them all and that they never existed.
:crossrc: May God lead you to the right place.
 
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I think the Lord probably led you to Mexico to reveal His presence and love, and to show you that faith in Him can bring hope and happiness even in the most dire of circumstances.

I get the feeling from your post that your faith is still there, but has been buried under a couple of things:
1) The callous and cold-hearted words and actions of a bunch of misguided "Pharisees." These are people who are concerned more with outward appearances than what is in the heart. Jesus said to them: "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness." (Luke 11:39) They pay homage to God with their lips, but not with their hearts. They are indeed in the wrong and the Lord will surely hold against their account for having pushed you away from Him.
2) Resentment, because of their treatment of you, has built in your heart, not only of them, but of all of Christianity. Part of your reconciliation to God will include finding it in your heart to forgive them. Please don't look on this as an indictment against you, rather it is a process that we all must go through to bring peace to our hearts, peace with God and with others whom have wronged us. If you think finding forgiveness is too hard, remember that Jesus forgave those who were nailing him to the cross even as they did it.

If it is truly your desire to be reconciled with God, to have the faith of your childhood restored (BTW, the fact that you "miss" it is an indication that the Lord is speaking to you, calling you to return to Him ), God will help you deal with the resentment and forgiveness issue. And I can say from experience that once you have done that, it will feel like a great weight has been lifted from you.

As for your main question of "will the Lord take you back," or "can your faith be restored," Jesus gave us a parable that applies directly to that question. You can find it in Luke 15, but I'll include it here in the NIV version-

The Parable of the Lost Son

11Jesus continued: "There was a man who had two sons. 12The younger one said to his father, 'Father, give me my share of the estate.' So he divided his property between them. 13"Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.
17"When he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.' 20So he got up and went to his father.
"But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
21"The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.'
22"But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.
25"Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27'Your brother has come,' he replied, 'and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.'
28"The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!'
31" 'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' "

The Lord will welcome you back without question, if it is your desire to return to Him. He has actually never left you, and is only a prayer away.

Lastly, give the church that had the members that were nice to you another try. Your "suspicions" were probably due to the resentment you felt toward the other church. Once you have dealt with that resentment, perhaps you will see the new church in a different light.

God Be With You
 
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I imagine that this going to be long.

When I was fourteen years old I was "saved" and started to attend a local church that I now believe to be...well, whacked, for a lack of a better term. I went there for eight years on and off (off only when I moved away for a few years) and I have never, in all of my days, encountered a group of more hateful people.

My sister and I have been publicly humiliated because we are biracial (our parents, though married when we were conceived, are apparently evil because they dared to marry one another as one is white and the other is not). I have been called a harlot because I took birth control, on the advice of my doctor, to regulate problems I have (at my age, I am still a virgin). I felt called to write to prisoners, to encourage them and to lead them to God. I was told that I am stupid for such a desire, that God does not intend for us to do such things. I was chastised in front of the entire congregation (of course my name was not mentioned, but everyone knew he was talking about me) because I had tried to minister to prisoners through letters. I have a tattoo, from a wild period in my youth, and I have been told that it is the mark of a devil. It is only a rose, and I haven't the money to remove it, and I don't think that I would even if I did...I see it as part of me now, a battle scar, not a sign that I am wed to Satan.

My sister was told that the reason her first child died is because she married outside of the church (her husband is a Christian, just not a member of our former church). I was engaged to a man in my former church. He beat me. I was told that it was my fault, that if I was a good Christian woman that he wouldn't hit me. He cheated on me. Once again, this was my fault. He threatened to kill me. Everyone turned a blind eye when I reached out for help. And so I left him, because I could not stay. Suddenly I felt what it was like to be shunned. I was told to leave the church because I had refused to obey God (because I would not marry my fiancee). I was blacklisted. And although it has been nearly five years now since I last stepped foot in that church, whenever I see old church members they glare at me, or spit in my direction, or whisper loudly about how I am damned so that I can hear them say such things, or tell me that I am going to hell and that God hates me.

Ironically, any time that I seem to show a bit of interest in religion, I run into these folk and am reminded exactly why I left the faith.

I have tried going to a new church. The new church members were very nice to me. I was suspicious of them, because the only time people at my former church were ever nice to me was when they wanted something from me. I went a few times to this new church, but could not remain going there. I do not trust them when they smile at me or greet me.

I have tried to read the bible. I have no luck in this. Every time I look at one I am reminded of the hurt, and within a few days, even if it has been months since I have seen a member of my former church, without fail I run into one at the store and they mock me.

And still, sometimes, I remember the child-like faith I once had and miss it.

I went to Mexico in 2000. Oh it was a learning experience. People there were living in cardboard boxes but their faith was unlike anything I had ever seen around here. The Christians down there welcomed us so warmly, so genuinely. There was no condemnation to be had there. No one made fun of me because I am not white enough. They insisted that we sit in their folding metal chairs, an honor for they had so few of them, and the women touched my hair and said that I was beautiful. :cry: When I returned here, it was doubly hard because my hair, you understand, has always been the biggest problem...in the house of God it has been called "frizzy" if they were feeling kind, "nappy" if they were not. And my former pastor saying that if you are not rich God does not love you, your faith is weak, yet here were people who were so poor, who had so little to give, and I could not help but think that if there is a God, that he must surely love them the most, for they had little but were willing to give so much of that little. Some of them only had kind words to give, and yet they gave them to me, and never had I felt so connected to something bigger than me than I did there.

My heart is breaking anew as I write all of this down, because even though I have told myself that there is no God, and if there is that I do not want to be part of his people only to be ridiculed and mocked again, my heart still wishes for something more. But faith, I do not know how to find it. Any faith I did have has been stolen from me, or given away by me, and there is none to be found now.

I have been told that it is impossible to go back once you have left the church. My pastor himself said that if I left the church that there was no hope to be had for my soul. And yet, somehow, the soul still has a little speck of hope left, although it is very dim and grows dimmer by the year, until I am afraid that there shall soon be nothing left at all. The only thing that has been keeping it alive this long is those people in Mexico who changed my life so...but I cannot seem to find anyone like them up here, until I think that maybe I imagined them all and that they never existed.

Wow...Thanks for unloading this at CF.com. I wouldn't trouble yourself too much about what your "pastor" said as regards your having "no hope" if you ever left that church. If anything, it is the other way around. Distance yourself from any and all so called "Christians" who haven't the least bit of true, Holy Spirit bestowed, Christlike love manifest in their lives and behavior, for:

"If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed." I Corinthians 16:22a
"In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. I John 3:10
"...He who does not love his brother abides in death." I John 3:14b
"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." I John 4:8
"If someone says, 'I love God,' and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?" I John 4:20

A total, marked absence of Christ's love in a professing christian's life is very, very uncharacteristic of a true believer, to the point of the Scriptures even barring them from the hope that they ever were "christians" at all. You see, when a person really and truly has been pardoned from all of the guilt of their sins, finds the iron gates of hell now locking them out rather than in, detects a wonderful, new and holy nature which loves what Christ loves and loathes what He loathes, and still yet finds new power to live a new life, a life in which the unfathomable, immeasureable and indesribable love of God permeates them from head to toe and inside out, this "New creature in Christ" stands in marked opposition to those so called "Christians" that you have just described and that bothers me.
Be a modern day Abraham: Learn to walk alone with Lord whether you are in the midst of other professing christians or not. Keep seeking for a Church in which those who "profess" Christ evidentially "possess" Christ as well. This will not take long to detect when you do find an assembly in which are true saints, "holy ones" who have experimentally known the meaning of Cowper's lyrics:

"There is a fountain filled with blood, drawn from Immanuels veins, and sinners plunged beneath that flood, loose all their guilty stains."

They're out there...Keep looking and learn foremost that we are never really saved by the saints...It is more accurate to say that we are saved by Christ and with the saints.
Can you return to the Church? Of course, but you must seek a "Church" which is truly, in God's sight, a "Church", and be something like old Martin Luther who left a "church" for a "church"! He wasn't perfect...I'm certainly not perfect, nor are you or anybody else on Earth, but God blessed him in his search for truth and will bless you likewise if you hunger for Him with "all of your heart." Seek His love in your own heart first of all...He won't disappoint you.
 
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I have found that one does not find God in a congregation, God has to be found in the 4 Gospels of the New Testament. It is here that we first receive the (moral/spiritual) light.

As you have found, there are so many imposter churches out there that one wonders if a real church exists. One will know if they have found a real church when members of that church have you (and only you, not a 'small groups' thing) over for meals, etc. even though you look so different from them.
 
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Oh, sweetie, that is so sad.
And so untrue.
God is love... He loves you unconditionally and eternally.
You are incredibly precious to Him, and He will aalways, always welcome you back with open arms if you turn to Him.
This church and pastor are at best misguided, sister.

Please, don't look at people - we are all fallible and sometimes hurt one another.
Look to Jesus - He is all you need.

Praying that you will find a church that will show you the love of God and allow your wounds to heal.

Psalm 86:15
But you, O Lord, are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness.

Psalm 100:5
For the LORD is good and his love endures forever; his faithfulness continues through all generations.

Zephaniah 3:17
The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing."


Look at that last verse, sister, because tha is what God says to you. He delights in you, He loves you so much that He sings over you.

Hold on to that, and let Him heal the damage and hurt, sister, because He can and will.

God bless you.
 
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"kill the fatted calf, place a ring on his finger, and a fine shirt on him, for the son was lost, is now found."

o matter how many times we fall, God is always there to
lend a hand to lift us back up. The hand will be their until the last breathe we take, when Satan will show all he offers and all God can offer, and that is when we must choose the right hand.
Only then will it be too late.

My thoughts on this is
Satan will show us a place like the Vegas strip, exciting, flashy, wine, women, and song, money, riches, all the glamourous sins.
God will show us a quiet meadow, with soft music playing.
Using what God has taught us, we choose.
Imagine the tears God sheds for each one that chooses wrong?
 
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xyzabc123 said:
I have been told that it is impossible to go back once you have left the church.
That's a lie. And going to church has nothing to do with it.

If you're willing to give up rights to run your own life and give them to God, He will accept you and lead you.
But it does mean giving up things of your life that you may feel you shouldn't have to. The Word of God may say things that make you feel bad and show you areas of your life that need changing (fleshly habits which are not holy), but God is a good God, and He knows what you need. :prayer:
 
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Is any thing to hard for God to do?
after reading your bible and believe him

you soon find out it not about what you must do but it all about what God has done for you .

it so easy and such a light burden to be a Christian because IT NOT ABOUT WHAT WE MUST DO.
ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR US.

Jesus has already won your fogiveness
and with that done heaven to

trust him because he loves you died for you and rose for you,

Gods blessings
 
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Matt 4:17
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Jesus wouldn't command you to do something you can't do. You can always repent and come back to him.


John 13:34-35
"A new commadment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

A verse your old church could take to heart.


Revelation 3:3
"Remember therefore what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent.
If therefore you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come upon you."

Read the letters of Revelation sometime. These are letters to churches and Jesus' main theme is to repent.

He wants us all to come back to Him.
 
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oh and yeah... your old church is seriously jacked up.

Maybe I should have just put this in the first reply - sounds like your old church to me:

Revelation 3:1-2
And to the angel of the church in Sardis write:
He who has the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars, says this:
I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Wake up and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.
 
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Is it possible for a person to leave his affiliation with the Christian faith and return? Certainly.

The bigger question might be: Is it possible for someone to be genuinely saved, become unsaved, then return to the family of God? The answer is, no. Such a scenario would be impossible since a truly saved person will never turn away from the Lord. Once saved, always saved [Hebrews 7:25/NASB].
 
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Is it possible for a person to leave his affiliation with the Christian faith and return? Certainly.

The bigger question might be: Is it possible for someone to be genuinely saved, become unsaved, then return to the family of God? The answer is, no. Such a scenario would be impossible since a truly saved person will never turn away from the Lord. Once saved, always saved [Hebrews 7:25/NASB].
I believe the same as you on this. It's a matter of discipline to a rebellious child if they're truly saved and go thru a period of backsliding or doubt or apathy, etc.
Like the Prodigal son. Not "disownership".

That parable shows us that we can come back to the Lord; the son never stopped being his son while gone.

I believe once saved always saved and that those who walk away and revert to denying The Lord and renouncing their beliefs, never were His in the first place. The key is self examination to see if we are truly in the faith, or if we're just stagnant in our walk or in spiritual trouble & need to get back.


Mat. 7:21-23

1 John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
 
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Of course you can return to the Church. Those who have told you otherwise are doing the devil's bidding to keep you away!! I would also encourage you to not measure Truth by the meanness of individuals in a particular church. In whatever happens to be the Church exercising faith in Christ to the fullest, you will find hypocrites! So if you see them, don't let that stop you from measuring a church on what it teaches. God bless you. Please pray about this...God loves to hear from you!!! ;)
 
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