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Important interpretation? : does having been a monkey, help all future "evolutions" in a monkey way?

If I had a relevant adaptation, but it was hard to use to help me survive, I would give up on it...

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  • ...depending on how it help generations of relevance work together

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  • ....depending on how godly the generations of relevance were

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  • ...depending on how popular the generations of relevance were

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  • ...if I couldn't take a chance on it (whatever that means)

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  • ...if I was guided by God, to give it up

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But I do have a standard that I am aiming for: I wish for you to discuss the theory of evolution accurately and you repeatedly refuse to learn that you have made mistakes in your understanding.

If there is a God, then there is a right and wrong way of interpreting "Evolution".

God's existence doesn't change that.

Your interpretation is false. The theory of evolution has a meaning and even if Creation was true and evolution was not an accurate description of reality, your interpretation would still be false.

For example: "In the Star Wars movies Darth Vader is a former Jedi Knight who wears black suit." is an accurate statement despite Darth Vader not being real.


I don't care about repentance, I care that you repeatedly and willfully present false statements about evolution.

If I have misrepresented Creation in any way, I'd appreciate soeone informing me so that I didn't make that mistake again.


Unless you understand what something is you can't be able to believe it. If you have false information then your belief or disbelief apples to the false version not the actual matter at hand.


It is a process that occurs to species... species are not independent agents with decision making ability.

Evolution is not a choice or a decision nor is it a possession of either an individual or a species.


A monkey and a human has a vastly different environment, history and behavior.

Millions of years of apes and early humans separate monkeys from humanity, so changes have occured.

You have never clearly described what and how this should be different.


The point "the evolution of a specific survival, is different than the optimum for that survival" doesn't make sense in the context of evolution.

Neither "specific survival" nor "optimum for that survival" sensibly line up with any part of the theory of evolution.

Can you present a specific example of either?
 
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Jesus said "If you believe in Evolution, but don't see anything happening, give it a chance to grow fruit anyway, before you get rid of it"

Jesus said no such thing. If you can show me where he said that, please do.
 
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What would a ‘monkey type selection pressure’ be in the modern world?
 
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What would a ‘monkey type selection pressure’ be in the modern world?

A proclivity for higher positioned apartments, a desire to swing between buildings as spiderman in a videogame, interest in beating chest in front of mirrors?

Not necessarily radical departures from being a man, but enough to point out a common history?
 
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What would drive selection for those behaviours though? You seem to be saying you think evolution is driven by the personal desires and preferences of the evolving animal.
 
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What would drive selection for those behaviours though? You seem to be saying you think evolution is driven by the personal desires and preferences of the evolving animal.

A well schooled child, knows when he is likely to be punished, even if he does not specifically know what he might be doing wrong (selah)

I am trying to draw out what I would be punished for, on the basis of Evolution, that when I raise my children, I not allow them to make the same mistake.

If you could have children, without mutation, wouldn't you? Or would you pray that they adapt all the more?
 
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No one person is going to evolve into some new type of human within the course of a lifetime. You appear to be riffing on some notion you have about evolution that is largely a kind of sci fi fantasy.
 
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Hi there, does having been a monkey, help all future "evolutions" in a monkey way?
Yes.

Microevolution will assist monkeys throughout time.

But keep in mind:

Once a monkey, always a monkey.

God created them one day before He created us.
 
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That's open to debate.

You're happy to call mankind "monkey descendents" but if I equivocate between trees and men, you object?

Lol.

Because it makes no sense for Jesus to have said, according to you, "If you believe in Evolution, but don't see anything happening, give it a chance to grow fruit anyway, before you get rid of it" because as the son of God, Jesus would surely have known THAT'S NOT HOW EVOLUTION WORKS.
 
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How is my "seeing something happening" different to yours?

We both have eyes.

I don't have to believe I see something, because you 'say' you see enough?

Because you say I "continue to see", your sin remains 'looking for more than is there'!
 
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The thread is basically about this:

Does having been a monkey, have a p-factor that is relevant to Evolution in general?

It begs a question like it:

How is the experience of being a monkey "erased", for the sake of future species - if it (the p-factor) is not there?
 
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How is my "seeing something happening" different to yours?

We both have eyes.

I don't have to believe I see something, because you 'say' you see enough?

Because you say I "continue to see", your sin remains 'looking for more than is there'!

I like how you got confused by me directly quoting what you yourself said.

Bottom line: you do not know a single thing you are talking about but you cannot help yourself.
 
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I like how you got confused by me directly quoting what you yourself said.

Bottom line: you do not know a single thing you are talking about but you cannot help yourself.

What is getting frustrating, is that I have identified that every species feels "special" to itself, yet when they transition to something "more evolved", you don't think they have to give any account, of the way in which they used to feel "important" about that speciality.

In theological terms, what is missing is that being a creature other than you are supposed to be, needs to be repented of.

You will never go from strength to strength, unless you first confess weakness.
 
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There are some problems with this idea.

Your idea of specialness is arbitrary and subjective to your opinions and bias. This means there isn't ant real way to assign importance in any objective way.

The phrase "more evolved" isn't really useful because it implies an inherent level of evolution, rather than just being adapted to the environment it exists in.

For something to "have to give any account" it aught to be responsible for causing something. There is not individual and no choice involved in evolution so this isn't valid.

In theological terms, what is missing is that being a creature other than you are supposed to be, needs to be repented of.

Repentance requires the one repenting to be responsible for something. Evolution is not relevant to individual choice, so repentance isn't relevant either.

Also, there isn't any clear way to define the way something is supposed to be.

You will never go from strength to strength, unless you first confess weakness.
Not always true, but totally irrelevant to evolution anyway.
 
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If you don't want to be frustrated, how about you stop pretending you know what the theory of evolution is about and actually make the genuine attempt to learn what it is about.
 
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