Important Facts about Evolution

Dizredux · Jul 5, 2014

toolmanjantzi said:
Remember the reason why the topic came up in the first place. People are inherently bent towards evil.

I have not found that to be the case in my life. Some are of course but I find most people at least try to lean towards good.

Dizredux

bhsmte · Jul 5, 2014

toolmanjantzi said:
Remember the reason why the topic came up in the first place. People are inherently bent towards evil.

Who made the claim that humans are inherently bent towards evil?

KWCrazy · Jul 5, 2014

bhsmte said:
If you have no idea, what are you going on about.

Really? I referenced your post.
"Seems like quite a few on this board, that claim to know exactly what God is all about and how he judges as well."

God reveals in His book the consequences of sin and rebellion. It doesn't take any special intuition to know what is clearly stated. It's not a proclamation of special awareness to repeat that which everyone who has ever read the Scriptures already knows.

KWCrazy · Jul 5, 2014

MuchWiser said:
That's only what you believe to be true not what is true, if your folks had been Muslims you would now be singing a completely different tune.

It is the revealed truth of the Lord.
Mohammed was a man of 13 wives, one as young as six. He loved to steal, encouraged his followers to murder and elevated the moon god Allah to a position of ultimate authority.

All you need to know about the false prophet of Islam can be found here.

BL2KTN · Jul 5, 2014

Yahweh is a war god in the Canaanite pantheon of gods. El is the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon. The New Testament was selected by a man named Iranaeus based on his belief in the four winds and four corners of the Earth.

Is it really the revealed truth of "the Lord"?

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

BlueLightningTN said:
When you don't speak the language of someone's name, do you often just call them whatever fancies you? Like, do you refer to Jaque Couseau as Jimmy Cousins and tell people, "I'm sorry, I don't speak French"? Yeshua. It's his name. Also, you failed a second time to answer the questions: 1) Why call your savior "Jesus," when his real name was "Yeshua"? 2) Why is the bible scripture? 3) Do you change your position and accept that nobody believes humans are descended from chimpanzees? Just agreeing that you call him that without telling me why doesn't really answer anything.

1) http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/f/jesusoryeshua.htm

2) because the books were written on script.

3)no

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

Dizredux said:
I have not found that to be the case in my life. Some are of course but I find most people at least try to lean towards good. Dizredux

What is your framework for good? Your absolute, your origin of good, your match, your comparator, your mirror, your example?

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

bhsmte said:
Who made the claim that humans are inherently bent towards evil?

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (Psalms 14:1 KJV)

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Revelation 3:16-18 KJV)

For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. (Ecclesiastes 7:20 KJV)

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (Romans 3:10-12 KJV)

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9 KJV)

And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Daniel 4:34, 35 KJV)

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: (Revelation 3:17 KJV)

The Bible, Scripture, Word of God, KJV

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

BlueLightningTN said:
Yahweh is a war god in the Canaanite pantheon of gods. El is the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon. The New Testament was selected by a man named Iranaeus based on his belief in the four winds and four corners of the Earth. Is it really the revealed truth of "the Lord"?

Yes

bhsmte · Jul 5, 2014

toolmanjantzi said:
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (Psalms 14:1 KJV)

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Revelation 3:16-18 KJV)

For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. (Ecclesiastes 7:20 KJV)

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (Romans 3:10-12 KJV)

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9 KJV)

And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Daniel 4:34, 35 KJV)

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: (Revelation 3:17 KJV)

The Bible, Scripture, Word of God, KJV

Cool. But one would need to put credibility into scripture as being accurate.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

bhsmte said:
Cool. But one would need to put credibility into scripture as being accurate.

Holy Spirit is enough. But for you, prophecy, Jewish history and beliefs, Josephus, Manuscripts, Archaeology, Physics, Mathematical probability for every situation including every time man has attempted to destroy it, and the population of people over time who would agree.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

bhsmte said:
Cool. But one would need to put credibility into scripture as being accurate.

A cat has eyes and so do spiders they must be related. This is not credible. Eyes, mouth, nose, ears proves one thing design. For you that could mean the Universe designed it; for me it's God.

BL2KTN · Jul 5, 2014

toolmanjantzi said:
1) http://christianity.about.com/od/faq...usoryeshua.htm

2) because the books were written on script.

3)no

1) Cool, so now why don't you start calling Yeshua "Yeshua" instead of a fake name invented by translating Yeshua into Greek then Greek mistranslated into English.

2) The books are written according to some degree of script. Different groups of Jewish priests and royalty had the Old Testament edited to fit their needs (this occurred on multiple occasions). Then the New Testament was compiled according to what Roman church leaders wanted after Iraneaus picked the gospels based on the four corners of the earth and the four winds. All opposing viewpoints were destroyed, even the Jewish gospels which were likely much more accurate and which were cited by early church fathers.

3) Nobody says humans are descended from chimpanzees, so have fun arguing with nobody.

Holy Spirit is enough. But for you, prophecy, Jewish history and beliefs, Josephus, Manuscripts, Archaeology, Physics, Mathematical probability for every situation including every time man has attempted to destroy it, and the population of people over time who would agree.

Please feel free to click on the link in my signature in which I thoroughly dismantle everything your citing as proof for the bible. It isn't remotely impressive, and only seems so when you list it without going into any detail whatsoever. The prophecies aren't impressive, the Jewish faith was originally polytheistic, Josephus doesn't validate Christianity, the manuscripts are only accurate in their transposition but not in their details, archaeology shows camels didn't exist in the Middle East when the bible says they did, physics shows that the Earth rotates around the sun, the bible is not mathematically improbable, and reasonable people don't want to destroy the bible.

A cat has eyes and so do spiders they must be related. This is not credible. Eyes, mouth, nose, ears proves one thing design. For you that could mean the Universe designed it; for me it's God.

Cats and spiders are related, albeit from a much older ancestor than the common mammalian ancestor. Cat eyes and spider eyes are very different, and both have positives and negatives. If they were both designed by God, it would make little sense for him to design their eyes with flaws. The same is true for a mutation in cat DNA that prevents them from tasting sweet flavors; there is no reason for God to design the cat with a literally broken gene... he could have just left it out to begin with.

The universe designs nothing regardless. The universe evolves.

dad · Jul 5, 2014

BlueLightningTN said:
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Cats and spiders are related, albeit from a much older ancestor than the common mammalian ancestor..

An ancestor we can see like the flatworm? Or must we dig into the deep recesses of the evo religion and accept your insane claim by faith alone?

Dizredux · Jul 5, 2014

toolmanjantzi said:
A cat has eyes and so do spiders they must be related. This is not credible. Eyes, mouth, nose, ears proves one thing design. For you that could mean the Universe designed it; for me it's God.

While I believe that the universe was designed, the current design argument does really not work all that well as an explanation. One of the problems with proposing design is that it can explain everything so it explains nothing.

I really can't think of anything that supernatural design cannot explain. This approach, if followed, takes away any chance of trying to understand the world we live in especially using the tools of science.

Dizredux

Dizredux · Jul 5, 2014

toolmanjantzi said:
What is your framework for good? Your absolute, your origin of good, your match, your comparator, your mirror, your example?

Could you restate that in language?

Dizredux

BL2KTN · Jul 5, 2014

dad said:
An ancestor we can see like the flatworm? Or must we dig into the deep recesses of the evo religion and accept your insane claim by faith alone?

You must not accept my claim by faith. You're free to look at DNA and see how the code has changed over time. For example, caucasians and asians have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA sitting in there. It's an exact copy and paste job, which we know because we've sequenced caucasian and asian DNA and we've sequenced Neanderthal DNA. It doesn't do anything and it would be pointless for a designer to put it there.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

Dizredux said:
Could you restate that in language? Dizredux

The poster said they like some men are capable of good. I want to know why they believe that and how they know it's good; hence what they compare to to judge their goodness.

toolmanjantzi · Jul 5, 2014

BlueLightningTN said:
You must not accept my claim by faith. You're free to look at DNA and see how the code has changed over time. For example, caucasians and asians have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA sitting in there. It's an exact copy and paste job, which we know because we've sequenced caucasian and asian DNA and we've sequenced Neanderthal DNA. It doesn't do anything and it would be pointless for a designer to put it there.

It's not Neanderthal, it's Nephilim.

Vergil10 · Jul 5, 2014

toolmanjantzi said:
It's not Neanderthal, it's Nephilim.

I am sorry sir, how exactly did you reach this conclusion?

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