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ME too. So, what's next. I say we take a beer break and we an talk politics or something.
I say I go watch Period number 3 of the Hockey game and think about drinking a Root Beer lol.ME too. So, what's next. I say we take a beer break and we an talk politics or something.
Has Jesus left any of His People. What did they preach? Christ in you the Hope of Glory. If Christ be in us then we are new creations in Christ. For we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Therefore Christ is with us even until the end of the age. So all of us are abassadors of Christ. We are to take His message to the whole world. Any opportunity we have to share Christ we should be doing. When a person opens the bible up and is seeking for truth God is able to bring this truth out through the scriptures. God can interpret His own word for He is the author. There is a difference between head knowledge and Heart knowledge. God is much greater than any man and can show things in His word that even man cannot know. Unless it is revealed to Him from the Father. We see this as truth in Peter.We are not talking about the Apostles. I was talking about you. Scripture doesnt talk so it's all up to you on how it is interpretated. You need to study the lanugage and culture of the time to even try and get a grasp of what it is trying to say in many verses. God left this with people who couldnt even read let alone study another language they never even heard of? Don't thinks so.
I would love to do a little test actually. We put a Priest with someone who knows nothing about Christianity and give them a few months to study.
We then take a similar man who is likewise ignorant but eager to learn about Christianity and give him a Bible to read for say 1 year.
I'm thinking this man the Priest was in charge over will have a firm grasp on what we believe for the most part. Yet the other fellow with the Bible will not even know Jesus was God. And I most certainly would doubt He would even grasp the concept of a Holy Trinity. I bet we could do this a thousand times over with different men and the Bible and they still wouldnt come to a few basic Dogmas of Christianity.
The Bible is a dangerous tool when studied alone without a teacher.
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
That's an awful lot of ground to cover for the Apostles alone before they died wouldnt you think? It's obvious they needed help in achieving this.
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
And it appears Jesus was going to be with them till the end of the world as well and again, it is obvious since the Apostles would die, he wasnt meaning them but their successors.
I think you know deep down that it isnt so clear after all my friend.
It's all context. Jesus was talking to this group specifically. It was this group He breathed on. This group He gave the Power of Forgiving or Retaining sins and likewise within the same context of talking to this group, He continued to say that he would be with them till the end of the earth.Has Jesus left any of His People. What did they preach? Christ in you the Hope of Glory. If Christ be in us then we are new creations in Christ.
This is a separate matter all together. Are you also going to claim Jesus was not talking to Peter only when he gave Him the Keys to Heaven because your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? Jesus was talking to a certain person or persons and to always claim it off as saying it referred to all of us, totally corrupts what He was really trying to say.For we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Therefore Christ is with us even until the end of the age.
A message that you guys admit to getting it wrong at times? Christ never wanted Heresey preached and to leave it up to a group of believers all thinking they are being led by this Spirit, while reading the Scriptures bringing forth conflicting doctrines with one another only adds to the confusion to the ones you are preacing to.So all of us are abassadors of Christ. We are to take His message to the whole world. Any opportunity we have to share Christ we should be doing.
It's odd how you say this only to me and not the non Catholics since we arent Bible believers alone and if you knew that, you would likewise know we don't have this special need to read something explicit from Scriptures to believe. It is not us who demand to see things in Scriptures explicity to get our Doctrines except only when we are asked to prove it that way ourselves. So obviously, to be fair, we want explicit proof back as to play by these same rules that have been thrown at us. Maybe you should have quoted them first before you quoted me don't you think.To simply be able to argue that Scripture does not "deny" something does not make it Scriptural. If it's not mentioned in Scripture or discussed, it is not Scriptural. It may be a historical fact, but not a Scriptural fact . . . .
I do know what you believe. I, also, know that according to your faith, your doctrines don't have to be "biblically based," so long as they are not contra-biblical. My point was not to show that this doctrine was not biblically based, therefore was not a true and legitimate doctrine according to your faith. You misconstrued my point. IOWs, I was not saying that since you can not establish this doctrine/dogma as scriptural or biblical, therefore it is sufficiently disproved and debunked. My stance is simply that it's questionable. I don't argue either way--maybe she was maybe she wasn'tIt's odd how you say this only to me and not the non Catholics since we arent Bible believers alone and if you knew that, you would likewise know we don't have this special need to read something explicit from Scriptures to believe.
Maybe you should learn a little about someone before you decide what they may or may not know . . . .It is not us who demand to see things in Scriptures explicity to get our Doctrines except only when we are asked to prove it that way ourselves. So obviously, to be fair, we want explicit proof back as to play by these same rules that have been thrown at us. Maybe you should have quoted them first before you quoted me don't you think.
You would need to dig deeper into scripture to find out that when Jesus gave them this authority about sin is much different that how you through your church read it. Do a deep greek study on what Jesus said there.It's all context. Jesus was talking to this group specifically. It was this group He breathed on. This group He gave the Power of Forgiving or Retaining sins and likewise within the same context of talking to this group, He continued to say that he would be with them till the end of the earth.
Who says we are infallable. We can say that the Holy Spirit is . For He is our teacher. Peter could not even know that Jesus was the Christ without the Father revealing this to Him. We are to preach the Gospel. The Good news. That Jesus came and died for our sins and rose again and now is seated on the right hand of the Father. And that believing in Him you will have eternal Life. Nothing about Mary in those words.Who out of all you guys actually know you have the proper doctrine Christ gave? If you think this then you are infallible through the Spirit. There is no other way around it. Christ definitely wanted us to preach His Doctrine. That is without a doubt.
And this one shepherd would be Jesus not the Pope. For He alone is the great shepherd. We have Pastors That teach the word of God as The bible instructs us to have.He wants one Flock with One Shepherd leading them.
Then why did Jesus tell Peter to feed and tend His sheep three times? He was instilling Peter as the vicarial shepherd.You would need to dig deeper into scripture to find out that when Jesus gave them this authority about sin is much different that how you through your church read it. Do a deep greek study on what Jesus said there.I will not argue with you about scripture because in your eyes they are dead words on paper. I will Post scripture for it is the word of God. I will let scripture speak for itself for It is alive and active. Who says we are infallable. We can say that the Holy Spirit is . For He is our teacher. Peter could not even know that Jesus was the Christ without the Father revealing this to Him. We are to preach the Gospel. The Good news. That Jesus came and died for our sins and rose again and now is seated on the right hand of the Father. And that believing in Him you will have eternal Life. Nothing about Mary in those words. And this one shepherd would be Jesus not the Pope. For He alone is the great shepherd. We have Pastors That teach the word of God as The bible instructs us to have.
This you assume. We also see Paul feeding sheep. We also see Timothy feeding Sheep. Jesus said that He had other sheep. This would be the gentiles. Who God sent Paul to the gentiles. My Pastor Feeds sheep. All Pastors feed sheep.Then why did Jesus tell Peter to feed and tend His sheep three times? He was instilling Peter as the vicarial shepherd.
We see It is Jesus who gives these gifts. It is not handed down. He is alive today still calling People.10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
All of the sheep belong to Jesus. Jesus only gives the duty of feeding His sheep to one Apostle. That Apostle is Peter.This you assume. We also see Paul feeding sheep. We also see Timothy feeding Sheep. Jesus said that He had other sheep. This would be the gentiles. Who God sent Paul to the gentiles. My Pastor Feeds sheep. All Pastors feed sheep. We see It is Jesus who gives these gifts. It is not handed down. He is alive today still calling People.
There is a reason as to why Peter was asked three times if He loved Jesus. For it was Peter who denied Jesus three times. Paul was to also preach the Gospel. Called by God to do this. We see more of His writings and feeding the sheep than we do Peters. They all preach the same. Timothy. Titus ,Paul, Peter, Jude, John, They all feed Gods sheep. They are the Apostles. with a capitol A. We see in scripture also with the scripture I gave you that the callings and gifts are from the Lord and not handed down.All of the sheep belong to Jesus. Jesus only gives the duty of feeding His sheep to one Apostle. That Apostle is Peter.
Unless it if from the Lord that they are handed down. It is very evident from Scripture that the office of Bishop, Presbyter (Elder, or Priest), and Deacon are handed down from the Apostles, and so on and so forth.There is a reason as to why Peter was asked three times if He loved Jesus. For it was Peter who denied Jesus three times. Paul was to also preach the Gospel. Called by God to do this. We see more of His writings and feeding the sheep than we do Peters. They all preach the same. Timothy. Titus ,Paul, Peter, Jude, John, They all feed Gods sheep. They are the Apostles. with a capitol A. We see in scripture also with the scripture I gave you that the callings and gifts are from the Lord and not handed down.
This is your assumption on the Matter. Lets look at What Jesus is saying to Peter. Jesus asked Peter Do you agapao Me. Peter says Yes Lord I phileo you. Then Bosco My Sheep. ( to feedUnless it if from the Lord that they are handed down. It is very evident from Scripture that the office of Bishop, Presbyter (Elder, or Priest), and Deacon are handed down from the Apostles, and so on and so forth.
Of course all of the Apostles preached. They were commanded to. But only Peter had the special office of "oversight". That is apparent in the Scriptures to, if you look at them all in context.
Only if you build a strawman, call it ex cathedra, then show everyone who already agrees with you how preposterous it is.the working out of our salvation, including nourishing ourselves on the written word. Peter was not only overseeing, he was over reaching. 'Maverick' apostle Paul had to publicly rebuke the first Pope & correct him. It kinda takes the wind out of all the 'in cathedra' definitions and any possible grandiose assumptions of power on anyone's part.
But you only see that in the scriptures, "if you look at them all in context".
Where is that in Scripture, since it is the end all be all explainer of everything?Peter had to be told 3 times what they were all effectively told to do, becasuse he was so thick-headed, not because he was being appointed "the only one" of anything.
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