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Jesus layed down His life for His Sheep. No one could have taken His life from Him if He had not layed it down. He repeatedly tells us this.Okay, so the priestly action of Our Lord, could be preformed....His blood had to be shed. The Romans killed Jesus, He didn't kill Himself....so it was His priestly action, as the High Priest, in the offering of His blood in atonement for our sins...therefore, our redemption.
We see that Christ is in Heaven as our High Priest. It is His shed blood that is for the Remission of sins. Now Christ sits at the right hand side of the Father as our High Priest. For His shed blood allows us as His followers to come into the Holy of Holies because When Christ died the veil was torn. We all now as His people are called a royal priesthood.23It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Jesus layed down His life for His Sheep. No one could have taken His life from Him if He had not layed it down. He repeatedly tells us this.
You need to read scripture to see who really killed Jesus.Of course, He willing submitted to death....but the Romans killed Him, He didn't kill Himself.
You need to read scripture to see who really killed Jesus.
And where do you get this from that all never means all.
Actually it is enough. For we take Gods word as written as told to do. No where in all scripture is it written about Mary being conceived any different than any other Human being. Only Christ is.Mt 3:5-6: "Then went out to Him Jerusalem, and ALL Judea, and ALL the region about the Jordan; and they were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins."
Were 'ALL' of the people of Judea, and the region about the Jordan baptized?
Rom 11:26, "ALL Israel shall be saved."
We know that 'ALL' in Israel will not be saved.
Rom 15:14, "...you yourselves are full of love, filled with 'ALL' knowledge..."
The only person filled with 'ALL' knowledge is GOD Himself unless there's another God I don't know about.
Same as when they say the whole world in Scripture. It doesn't have to mean it in the literal sense. Just like the word all. It could mean allot or many.
John 12:19, "The entire world has gone after him!"
Did everyone in the entire world really go after Jesus? I'm thinking no.
So you see, when it says...."For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God."....it doesn't necessarily mean all as in every single person that lived or will live hence that verse cannot be used against the Immaculate Conception since it proves nothing. It is only your assuming that it includes the Blessed Mother Mary but that isn't enough.
You have misread this scripture. He did not say in there all went out. He said people went out to Him from. When you look at the all of Isreal you need to go back and read what God said of Isreal. To those who have not bowed their knee to baal. These are the true Isrealites.4John's clothes were made of camel's hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist. His food was locusts and wild honey. 5People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan. 6Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
This was the Pharasee's talking. We know how honost they were.19So the Pharisees said to one another, "See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!"
Fair enough and also if it saysSo you see, when it says...."For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God."....it doesn't necessarily mean all as in every single person that lived or will live hence that verse cannot be used against the Immaculate Conception since it proves nothing. It is only your assuming that it includes the Blessed Mother Mary but that isn't enough.
She never sinned...willfully. But, because of Adam, she still needed a savior.Fair enough and also if it says
she was 'full of grace' we won't
assume (for the same reasons)
that it means she never sinned.
How can one born of sin not sin? For it is Christ in us that gives us the power not to sin. For we have to be born again to have Christ in us. Even Paul with Christ in Him struggled with this. As every believer does.She never sinned...willfully. But, because of Adam, she still needed a savior.
Because she was filled with grace, thus God protected her from it.How can one born of sin not sin? For it is Christ in us that gives us the power not to sin. For we have to be born again to have Christ in us. Even Paul with Christ in Him struggled with this. As every believer does.
Mt 3:5-6: "Then went out to Him Jerusalem, and ALL Judea, and ALL the region about the Jordan; and they were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins."
Were 'ALL' of the people of Judea, and the region about the Jordan baptized?
Rom 11:26, "ALL Israel shall be saved."
We know that 'ALL' in Israel will not be saved.
Rom 15:14, "...you yourselves are full of love, filled with 'ALL' knowledge..."
The only person filled with 'ALL' knowledge is GOD Himself unless there's another God I don't know about.
Same as when they say the whole world in Scripture. It doesn't have to mean it in the literal sense. Just like the word all. It could mean allot or many.
John 12:19, "The entire world has gone after him!"
Did everyone in the entire world really go after Jesus? I'm thinking no.
So you see, when it says...."For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God."....it doesn't necessarily mean all as in every single person that lived or will live hence that verse cannot be used against the Immaculate Conception since it proves nothing. It is only your assuming that it includes the Blessed Mother Mary but that isn't enough.
Yes, it is an orthodox view of Mary, which is why the Catholics hold it.I don't think you can use that one and be RC, that is an EO view to say she never broke any of the 613 commandments wilfully.
says who? I don't see that written in scripture. I see where all sin and fall short of the Glory of God. I see where Paul says that everyone born is a slave to sin. That this is Why Christ had to come to set the captives free.Because she was filled with grace, thus God protected her from it.
I do not see full of grace.. Highly favored one blessed among women not above women..
OH come on..so many people I talk to on here..one says one thing, the other says another...TRUST me..it happens...Who said that?
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