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I'm sorry,You could take a walk through some of the earlier posts. Repentant made a great exposition of the Greek on this topic. The word used in the original is kecharitomene, which means "full of grace"
At the least, we do know that he didn't say....."Hey you, incubator girl.....God's gonna use you as a vessal....but remember, you ain't nothing special, you won't be His Mother"we can argue this over and over again. He said hail favored one. There is only one that was born Sin free. One and that would be Christ. We do not see in scripture anything about Marys birth. For this is not important for the Gosepel of Christ. It is Christ and His birth and His Death and ressurection that has importance. Mary being a human being was born with sin just like the rest of the Human beings. For there was only one that was born from God.
And we can also see He did not call her sinless one and forever virgin either. He said Hail favored one. This is what is going to happen and she said be it according to your word.At the least, we do know that he didn't say....."Hey you, incubator girl.....God's gonna use you as a vessal....but remember, you ain't nothing special, you won't be His Mother"
He says, "Hail, full of grace".
Sometimes I wish I had a auto-poster Bot to save wear and tear on my fingersWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......same ol' same ol' huh?
Why do these threads remind me of the old "Yo Mama" jokes?
I missed this can someone post a link?You could take a walk through some of the earlier posts. Repentant made a great exposition of the Greek on this topic. The word used in the original is kecharitomene, which means "full of grace"
His blood was within His Body. All of Him (Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity) was being carried inside of Her womb. Stop denying this fact.Mary did not carry the blood of Jesus. He Did. She carried His body.
The main part of the Old Ark that we cannot deny was that it carried the Word of God. Mary carried the Word made flesh.In the Ark sat the law of God. Jesus fulfilled and completed this law.
Again, blood does nothing without God's will to shed it for us. That was the ACT OF LOVE God did for us. Do you really think if His Blood was spilled without Him wanting it to be spilled it would mean the same? No way. Your taking away the actual Sacrifice part and focusing too much on the blood part. You need the Sacrifice part for the spilled blood to work. Combination of the two. Jesus is the New Covenant. The word of God. God's Promise to us.This mere blood you speak of is the only waythat we can have forgivness for this is the new covenant. That God Himself sent His only Begotten Son to shed His blood for the forgiveness of sin Once for all.
Animals blood is nothing. It was their act of doing what God wanted in Sacrificing the animals that pleased God. So now your saying this animal sacrifce was sufficient in having their sins forgiven. They didn't need Christ? Wow.IamAdopted said:If blood is nothing then why is it that it was the blood of animals that covered sin?
That is metaphorically speaking, unless blood can talk.IamAdopted said:Why is it that the blood of Abel cried out to God?
She gave him love, only a mother can give.IamAdopted said:Exactly and this is why he came through Mary. So He could get flesh. This is the only thing Mary gave Him.
She was the Mother of God Incarnate.IamAdopted said:Therefore she was the mother of Jesus the incarnate God.
That is just your assumption. Prove she sinned.IamAdopted said:Mary being a human being was born with sin just like the rest of the Human beings.
But it was His blood that was In His body that He shed for the remission of our sin. He carried this blood outside of Marys body also. This is the blood of the NEW covenant. His blood shed.His blood was within His Body. All of Him (Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity) was being carried inside of Her womb. Stop denying this fact.
The flesh carried the Word of God. For it was the word that became flesh.The main part of the Old Ark that we cannot deny was that it carried the Word of God. Mary carried the Word made flesh.
Life is in the blood. For without shedding of Blood sins cannot be forgiven. This we see in all of scripture. In the OT we have the animal blood that just covered sin. In the NT we have Christs blood that removes sin. For His was shed once for all. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.Again, blood does nothing without God's will to shed it for us. That was the ACT OF LOVE God did for us. Do you really think if His Blood was spilled without Him wanting it to be spilled it would mean the same? No way. Your taking away the actual Sacrifice part and focusing too much on the blood part. You need the Sacrifice part for the spilled blood to work. Combination of the two. Jesus is the New Covenant. The word of God. God's Promise to us.
Now where in all my posts do you see where I have said this? If it was not for the shedding of the blood of the animals in the OT sins would not have been covered. Don't put words that you think in my mouth. With Christ we no longer have to sacrafice animals for Jesus is the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins. His shed blood was a one time act and it takes away the sins of those whom believe in Him. Even those in the OT that believed.Animals blood is nothing. It was their act of doing what God wanted in Sacrificing the animals that pleased God. So now your saying this animal sacrifce was sufficient in having their sins forgiven. They didn't need Christ? Wow.
He calls all of us that obey Gods will His mother brother and sisters. And yes she did love Him.She gave him love, only a mother can give.
The bible clearly states that all were prisoner of sin. This is why Christ had to come. To redeem mankind.That is just your assumption. Prove she sinned.
I don't see except Mary in here do you?21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
The word was before He became flesh. Was He not? To therefore the Word was carried in the flesh of Christ. For He became flesh. But Being flesh He still was the word of God. So therefore this is why Jesus is translated God with us. Just as the Ark was known as God with us. Mary is not known as God is with us. Where ever Jesus walked God was with people. Not Mary. Where ever the Ark of the Old covenant was brought along being God is with us. Where ever two or three are gathered in His name there He is with us. We see in revelation 11The flesh carried the Word of God? What the...... Jesus is the Word MADE flesh, not the Word encased in flesh.
19Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
The flesh carried the Word of God? What the...... Jesus is the Word MADE flesh, not the Word encased in flesh.
But it was His blood that was In His body that He shed for the remission of our sin. He carried this blood outside of Marys body also. This is the blood of the NEW covenant. His blood shed. The flesh carried the Word of God. For it was the word that became flesh. Life is in the blood. For without shedding of Blood sins cannot be forgiven. This we see in all of scripture. In the OT we have the animal blood that just covered sin. In the NT we have Christs blood that removes sin. For His was shed once for all. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. Now where in all my posts do you see where I have said this? If it was not for the shedding of the blood of the animals in the OT sins would not have been covered. Don't put words that you think in my mouth. With Christ we no longer have to sacrafice animals for Jesus is the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins. His shed blood was a one time act and it takes away the sins of those whom believe in Him. Even those in the OT that believed. He calls all of us that obey Gods will His mother brother and sisters. And yes she did love Him. The bible clearly states that all were prisoner of sin. This is why Christ had to come. To redeem mankind. I don't see except Mary in here do you?
The bible clearly states that all were prisoner of sin. This is why Christ had to come. To redeem mankind.
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21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
I don't see except Mary in here do you?
And where do you get this from that all never means all. We see in scripture that there was only one without sin. This being Christ. Not one of but one.Ok I'm a little upset here. I lost all my hour and a half's worth of work here. This is the only forum I have been on where if you hit the back button it doesn't save that previous page. I'm kind of fuming at the moment big time here so i'll make this brief.
I see what your trying to get. The Divine part of God was not enclosed in a human shell. If that were true he wouldnt' have been human. He was 100 percent man and 100 percent Divine. Mary carried the Word of God. His Flesh did not. His flesh is what made Him human. It wasnt a suit he wore.
And again about the blood. He was the New Covenant since again, it was through HIS Sacrifice for us. Not just the shedding of blood.
Your Bible seems to have added it's own word in there. It should read:
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise, by the faith of Jesus Christ, might be given to them that believe.
That word all never always meant 'all' as in everything like we say it today so that verse does not hold water in your case against The Blessed Virgin Mary.
We can see that all are born prisoners to sin. This is why Christ had to come.25Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. 26Such a high priest meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
But it was His blood that was In His body that He shed for the remission of our sin. He carried this blood outside of Marys body also. This is the blood of the NEW covenant. His blood shed. The flesh carried the Word of God. For it was the word that became flesh. Life is in the blood. For without shedding of Blood sins cannot be forgiven. This we see in all of scripture. In the OT we have the animal blood that just covered sin. In the NT we have Christs blood that removes sin. For His was shed once for all. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. Now where in all my posts do you see where I have said this? If it was not for the shedding of the blood of the animals in the OT sins would not have been covered. Don't put words that you think in my mouth. With Christ we no longer have to sacrafice animals for Jesus is the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins. His shed blood was a one time act and it takes away the sins of those whom believe in Him. Even those in the OT that believed. He calls all of us that obey Gods will His mother brother and sisters. And yes she did love Him. The bible clearly states that all were prisoner of sin. This is why Christ had to come. To redeem mankind. I don't see except Mary in here do you?
The Lamb had to be sacraficed. They had to sprinkle the blood on the alter. He even had to do this for his own sin. There is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood.IAA, Jesus is both the High Priest and the Sacrificial Lamb. It was His actions as High Priest, as He offered Himself up that resulted in our redemption, not necessarily His death it's self, true He had to die..inorder for this to take place, however...it's the priestly action that atoned for our sins. This is also true in the OT, it wasn't the killing of the lamb....that atone for their sins, but the offering up of the blood.
RomansOnce a year Aaron shall make atonement on its horns. This annual atonement must be made with the blood of the atoning sin offering for the generations to come. It is most holy to the LORD."
EphesiansSince we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!
HebrewsIn him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace
But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
The Lamb had to be sacraficed.
They had to sprinkle the blood on the alter. He even had to do this for his own sin.
There is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood. Romans EphesiansHebrews
See, that is what the scripture you quoted says..."which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed"....it's the priestly action of presenting the offering of the blood from the sacrifice, from the priest....that was accepted by God, for the atonement of sins.Hebrews
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But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
I'll have to try to answer this later. No time at the moment.And where do you get this from that all never means all. We see in scripture that there was only one without sin. This being Christ. Not one of but one. We can see that all are born prisoners to sin. This is why Christ had to come.
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