Imagine?

[Neogaia777]

Imagine yourself as Creator of the Universe for a minute, not just the Earth, but the entire universe (It's ok, do not be afraid, just "do it" for a minute)

Now, Imagine yourself in charge of all those M-class worlds (to use "Star Trek" terminology)... All those worlds which would evolve to have intelligent bipedal, "human" like life-forms, that would eventually come to invent an alphabetic language, to begin to record their history and tell stories with... Now Imagine that "all" these "societies" were doomed to destroy themselves (without interference) That they would all (specially when they reached a point where they would "have to" "learn" another (other) methods of behavior in order to learn to live in balance and harmony with their environments, to come to learn to live in balance with their population growth and resources in order to keep from destroying their home and theirselves (to prevent them from "resetting" themselves back to earlier times and have no hope at all of further exploration of not only their own planet, but the universe. In order for them to put an end to war and an end to man dominating man to their injury.

Anyways, as "master" of the universe, what would you tell them about their origins, would you not "tell" them "something" that would give them "clues" to the errors in their behavior that cause them to destroy themselves, would you not tell them a story about their "psychology" in order that they might have "hope" at making the changes that they would have to make in order for them to 'make it". As Creator of the universe and possessing all the knowledge of the clues to their behavior, would you not give them a story that is reflective of this and gives them the hope of being able to make the changes that were necessary in order to advance any farther... wouldn't you "do" this oh, man (men)?

 

[ChetSinger]

What I read in Proverbs is that God purposefully conceals things and challenges us to use our intellect to search them out:

It is the glory of God to conceal things,
but the glory of kings is to search things out. Prov 25:2

Kind of when Dad hides the eggs on Easter morning and challenges the children to find them. Dad gains face when he comes up with clever hiding places, and the children gain face when they discover them.

 

[Resha Caner]

What I would tell them doesn't really matter.

 

[Neogaia777]

All's I'm trying to say that I believe their is absolutely no way whatsoever that the story of creation, Genesis, and Adam and Eve could be concocted by a man, or the mind of a man, so, I believe it is/was created/told to us through divine revelation by a "higher" (perhaps invisible) intelligence...

Now science says that it is impossible for a race to have decended from only one man and one woman (not a wide enough genetic base) What I am proposing is that this "higher" intelligence proposed to institute or "infuse" the story of Adam and Eve in order to explain a few things about our human nature that we would "need" to know, in order to overcome our natural, destructive, selfish evolutionary path that we would eventuate to without "divine" interference, "divine" intervention. I believe this story was also "infused" in us to not only give us a/the "chance" of learning something very important about ourselves, and perhaps altering our course toward a more prosperous one, but was also "told" to us to begin to educate us about the invisible life-forms that exist here with us that could (can) cause us trouble.

Beyond that I believe this story is universal, that God "told" it to all his life supporting, life capable, M-class planets with humanoid life-forms on them... You have to admit that the story of Adam and Eve has very much alot to "do" with human psychology, human behavior, one example is the males proficincy to follow the will of his wife, even when it conflicts with the will of God, and that's just one example...

This world is quickly becoming a "womans" world, and I don't believe this is what God intended, but he nevertheless "expected" it, and gave us stories like Adam and Eve, and the world following the great harlot, in revelation, and getting drunk of the cup-full of her "disgusting things" which I believe is in the world (all over the world) now. I believe the cup full of her disgusting things is not that much different from eating the forbidden fruit, but anyways a lot, and I mean a lot to do with human behavior, and psychology...

And I believe it was given to us, and many other planets, other socities in order to give us chances and clues to be discovered, about "changing our ways"

It's just my opinion, but I think its somthing worth pondering anyways.

 

[SkyWriting]

All's I'm trying to say that I believe their is absolutely no way whatsoever that the story of creation, Genesis, and Adam and Eve could be concocted by a man, or the mind of a man, so, I believe it is/was created/told to us through divine revelation by a "higher" (perhaps invisible) intelligence...

You may believe that due to your background and experiences.
But you have no support for your statement that man could
not have created the story. People can imagine anything.
And the human mind does not separate real events from
imagined events. They are both the same.

 

[Neogaia777]

You may believe that due to your background and experiences.
But you have no support for your statement that man could
not have created the story. People can imagine anything.
And the human mind does not separate real events from
imagined events. They are both the same.

I don't see how a "man" any "man" of that era especially or even today could have "conconcocted" such a story, especially one that is so, so very "true" to human behavior and psychology...

Are you even a christian, how can you call yourself a christian if you think these stories could have been "made up" by the mind of a mere man...

I would really like to hear more of your beliefs and philosophies, I would like to know how you maintain a christian belief if you think these things could have been "made up" by the mind of a man?

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't see how a "man" any "man" of that era especially or even today could have "concocted" such a story, especially one that is so, so very "true" to human behavior and psychology...

Behaviorists create endless stories to explain human behavior sunup to sundown.
And True Christians are allowed to question your logic and assumptions
and claims. There may be some people in your world that are not allowed,
but I'm not one of those people.

 

[Neogaia777]

Behaviorists create endless stories to explain human behavior sunup to sundown.
And True Christians are allowed to question your logic and assumptions
and claims. There may be some people in your world that are not allowed,
but I'm not one of those people.

I don't mind your questioning, in fact I "encourage" it, after all that's all I am doing... I was just curious how your Christian beliefs "hold up" and what they are, or how you define them, if you think these tales could have possibly been made-up by men?

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't mind your questioning, in fact I "encourage" it, after all that's all I am doing... I was just curious how your Christian beliefs "hold up" and what they are, or how you define them, if you think these tales could have possibly been made-up by men?

I wear the armor of Gods word which has never let me down. Man can envision and write up all kinds of tall tales and fiction. The story about human origins for example. And then the devil can twist and turn any created thing into a distorted mess of illusion. And then God sends powerful delusions as well. Faith in God is not fact.

Faith is entirely separate thing not to be confused with facts.
The scriptures never even hint of the message:

"Have FACTS in Jesus"​

or

"Loudly proclaim logic with your mouth!"​

 

[Neogaia777]

I wear the armor of Gods word which has never let me down. Man can envision and write up all kinds of tall tales and fiction. The story about human origins for example. And then the devil can twist and turn any created thing into a distorted mess of illusion. And then God sends powerful delusions as well. Faith in God is not fact.

Faith is entirely separate thing not to be confused with facts.
The scriptures never even hint of the message:

"Have FACTS in Jesus"​

or

"Loudly proclaim logic with your mouth!"​

Well, I have Faith (in the supernatural, another "side" world existing along/beside this one) but,, I cannot "take credit for it for it was "proven" and "shown" to me, by many signs, wonders, portents and revelations, sometimes on a daily, hourly and even minute by minute basis at times, and while "it" has slowed down now... I hate to admit it, but I'm still not sure of it's source, but "it" proved to me beyond any reasonable doubt that there is most definetly "something" and not "nothing" out there, and this all I can be sure of... But if it was from a bad source, then a good source must also exist, and if it was from a good source, then a bad source must also exist... But "its" proving itself to me has only strengthened my "faith" and kept me searching and that's where I'm currently "at".

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, I have Faith (in the supernatural, another "side" world existing along/beside this one) but,, I cannot "take credit for it for it was "proven" and "shown" to me, by many signs, wonders, portents and revelations, sometimes on a daily, hourly and even minute by minute basis at times....

To me as well. But those are not facts. Those are stories I take to be true on faith.
They have all the same elements as stories that are fiction. If you read the literature of cults or
other religions, you'll see the same types of stories.