Imagine the potential...

[Panzerkamfwagen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CaBR3z85c

 

[wanderingone]

any summary or at least title of what the video is? No You tube viewing here.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

any summary or at least title of what the video is? No You tube viewing here.

It's an anti-abortion video of Obama growing up to become the president of the United States.

 

[TeddyKGB]

The fellow who seems to worship killing implements lectures us via YouTube about "life."

We are supposed to be ironically grateful that Obama's single mother chose to give birth. Because all instances in which a pregnant woman chooses to have the child turn out super-good. It's true.

 

[The Nihilist]

I think someone in this thread has a bad attitude

 

[Isambard]

It'd be funny if someone made a spoof of the vid replacing Obama with Hitler. Imagine the potential indeed lol.

 

[wanderingone]

It's an anti-abortion video of Obama growing up to become the president of the United States.

So what's the premise, if his mother had made a different choice he wouldn't be president?

 

[lisah]

What irony...

"Obama To Alter Abortion Policy
Iraq Withdrawal Also On Table
PETER NICHOLAS and CHRISTI PARSONS | Tribune Washington Bureau
January 20, 2009
In one of his first acts as president, Barack Obama is planning to lift a rule that prevents federal money from going to international family planning groups that counsel women on abortion or perform the procedure.

Obama's repeal of the abortion aid policy is one of several executive actions that he will take soon after his inauguration today, according to several Obama transition aides. He is also considering lifting Bush administration restrictions on federally funded stem cell research."

(If I understand that correctly.)

 

[Garyzenuf]

What irony...

"Obama To Alter Abortion Policy
Iraq Withdrawal Also On Table
PETER NICHOLAS and CHRISTI PARSONS | Tribune Washington Bureau
January 20, 2009
In one of his first acts as president, Barack Obama is planning to lift a rule that prevents federal money from going to international family planning groups that counsel women on abortion or perform the procedure.

Obama's repeal of the abortion aid policy is one of several executive actions that he will take soon after his inauguration today, according to several Obama transition aides. He is also considering lifting Bush administration restrictions on federally funded stem cell research."

(If I understand that correctly.)

I really hope that is true.

*

 

[wanderingone]

The fellow who seems to worship killing implements lectures us via YouTube about "life."

We are supposed to be ironically grateful that Obama's single mother chose to give birth. Because all instances in which a pregnant woman chooses to have the child turn out super-good. It's true.

These are such lazy arguments - if my mother chose to have an abortion I wouldn't be here.. there's nothing to get sentimental about. If Obama's mother chose abortion there'd just be no Obama. I like the guy, I voted for him, but if he'd been aborted, or miscarried I wouldn't be hear thinking "darn I wish Stanley Ann had chosen life, we sure could use Obama now"


Here's a "what if" question?, What if Obama did not have a family with the resources and concern to make sure Barack had access to a decent place to live, good meals and schools? Would he be just another "statistic" people throw out to prove that kids from single parent homes are drug using, crime committing drop outs?

 

[HerbieHeadley]

It'd be funny if someone made a spoof of the vid replacing Hitler with Obama. Imagine the potential indeed lol.

Right...abort all just in case they are Hitler.
Trick is ...to figure out which ones...
And then understand it's not your job.

 

[wanderingone]

Right...abort all just in case they are Hitler.
Trick is ...to figure out which ones...
And then understand it's not your job.

That's right it's not his job to decide nor is it yours. No matter what anyone believes is "right" or "wrong" the only person who gets the choice is the one who is pregnant.

 

[Isambard]

Right...abort all just in case they are Hitler.
Trick is ...to figure out which ones...
And then understand it's not your job.

Quite correct, its the woman's decision as to who has access to her body. Now youre getting it

 

[Ryal Kane]

The 'could have been' argument is a very hollow one.

A child never born could have developed a cure cancer.
A child never born could have founded a suicide cult that kills thousands.

A child never born could have got drunk as a teenager, and crashed a car, killing his girlfriend who one day could have had a child that cured caner or became a cult leader.

No one knows either way. The best we can do is try to predict how good a life we can offer the next generation and that is a choice best left to the individual.

 

[Beanieboy]

As already said, the "potential" could be MLK, or Pol Pot, so it's not a very good argument. However, what I see as worse are those that oppose keeping abortion legal, but then when a woman is then a single mom, or is, say, in high school, and keeps it, but then has to go on welfare, these women are sometimes equally damned by the very same people.

 

[lisah]

As already said, the "potential" could be MLK, or Pol Pot, so it's not a very good argument. However, what I see as worse are those that oppose keeping abortion legal, but then when a woman is then a single mom, or is, say, in high school, and keeps it, but then has to go on welfare, these women are sometimes equally damned by the very same people.

I found myself wondering if the people responsible for the ad also supported Obama while he was running, or if they jumped on the opportunity to use his position to support their agenda.

I really would like to know the whole development behind what they've put together.

Would it be ethical to use someone's position of power for your purposes, if you did not support them beforehand?

 

[Beanieboy]

I found myself wondering if the people responsible for the ad also supported Obama while he was running, or if they jumped on the opportunity to use his position to support their agenda.

I really would like to know the whole development behind what they've put together.

Would it be ethical to use someone's position of power for your purposes, if you did not support them beforehand?

Could you use an example?

For me, it's the first time that I've ever been excited about a president. He comes from working class and a single mom, and worked to get where he got. I have hope that he won't be favoring the wealthy at the cost of the poor, that he will listen to the people about their views of the war and things done in their name without their consent. It was exciting to be in Canada and watch even Canadians excited about him. It was exciting to see someone like Beyonce say that she used to not really care about whether she voted, and now, she does care about politics, and was overwhelmed to be a part of the celebration. It was moving to go from a president that was egged by angry protesters, to one where people from many cities stopped to watch the inauguration, and the country felt unified for once.

And it was exciting to hear a president say that there is no liberal American, nor a conservative America, but a United States of America. Obama is known for crossing parties, and hopefully, the two parties will work together rather than against each other.

So, I'm hopeful for once. I think the country needs a lot of healing.

 

[Beanieboy]

One of the things I discuss with my students is a true case where a man and woman were trying to have children, and fertilized and froze the eggs to be implanted later. The stress of the miscarriages must have worn on the couple, and after a number of tries, they filed for divorce. The ex husband wanted to dispose of the eggs. The ex wife wanted to keep them, arguing that there were potential children, and didn't want to give that up.

The father, understandably, wants nothing to do with her, including fathering her children. Legally, he may be held financially tied to her.

So, I ask my students when life begins. Some argue that it is not until the fetus moves. Some say that it is around 3 months. Some put it much later. Some say that it is at the very moment of conception.

The problem with these definitions is that it raises more questions:
Should the woman get pregnant and conceive a child on the first try, she has 6 more "potential children" in the freezer. If she disposes of any of those, only wanting 1-3 children, shouldn't that then be considered murder? If the doctor transplants the fertilized egg inside the mother, whom he knows has trouble conceiving, isn't he responsible for negligence, and the woman an accomplice, who is endangering her "child" by having it implanted into her, rather than a surrogate?

Legally, it gets very complicated.