I'm teaching creationism in class! :)

[peter22]

(some background)
I teach at a government school in Australia and my primary fields are English & senior philosophy. We've just started delving into philosophy of religion and to be fair, (and because it's contentious) I presented the case for Creationism. It was impartial, I backed it up non-sarcastically and gave as much "evidence" as I could.

I was almost laughed out of the room. All of my 20 or so students told me that creationism and intelligent design theory was utter junk. I challenged them and had them rationally support their arguments. After that, I had the idea to present creationism to my (year 12) senior class as well. Basically the same, but with better arguments against it.

I guess I'm saying, at least where *I* am, creationism is pretty much seen as outlandish and ridiculous.

 

[sbvera13]

Good to know that part of the world is sane

Over on this side of the pond, we still have some catching up to do.

 

[Mikey68]

(some background)
I teach at a government school in Australia and my primary fields are English & senior philosophy. We've just started delving into philosophy of religion and to be fair, (and because it's contentious) I presented the case for Creationism. It was impartial, I backed it up non-sarcastically and gave as much "evidence" as I could.

I was almost laughed out of the room. All of my 20 or so students told me that creationism and intelligent design theory was utter junk. I challenged them and had them rationally support their arguments. After that, I had the idea to present creationism to my (year 12) senior class as well. Basically the same, but with better arguments against it.

I guess I'm saying, at least where *I* am, creationism is pretty much seen as outlandish and ridiculous.

thats good news peter.have you seen this movie trailer yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE

 

[peter22]

thats good news peter.have you seen this movie trailer yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE

Can you repost the link Mikey68? It doesn't work, unless I've failed at the internet...

 

[dad]

(some background)
I teach at a government school in Australia and my primary fields are English & senior philosophy. We've just started delving into philosophy of religion and to be fair, (and because it's contentious) I presented the case for Creationism. It was impartial, I backed it up non-sarcastically and gave as much "evidence" as I could.

I was almost laughed out of the room. All of my 20 or so students told me that creationism and intelligent design theory was utter junk. I challenged them and had them rationally support their arguments. After that, I had the idea to present creationism to my (year 12) senior class as well. Basically the same, but with better arguments against it.

I guess I'm saying, at least where *I* am, creationism is pretty much seen as outlandish and ridiculous.

Yes, someone ought to fix that.

 

[lemmings]

Yes, someone ought to fix that.

I know, it is horrible! Schools are encouraging free thought, making it harder to indoctrinate the youth.

 

[ReverendDG]

Yes, someone ought to fix that.

fix what exactly? oh nooz kids are thinking! think of the childr.. oh wait they are thinking
tell me when thats a bad thing. isn't this what creationists want? kids told what creationism is and teaches? well sorry but if you want to teach it, expect people to find it a joke

 

[ReverendDG]

I know, it is horrible! Schools are encouraging free thought, making it harder to indoctrinate the youth.

i find it ironic that the creationists campaign so much to h ave creationism taught, but don't like it when they find it doesn't help them

seems its backfiring on them!

 

[trivista]

(some background)
I teach at a government school in Australia and my primary fields are English & senior philosophy. We've just started delving into philosophy of religion and to be fair, (and because it's contentious) I presented the case for Creationism. It was impartial, I backed it up non-sarcastically and gave as much "evidence" as I could.

I was almost laughed out of the room. All of my 20 or so students told me that creationism and intelligent design theory was utter junk. I challenged them and had them rationally support their arguments. After that, I had the idea to present creationism to my (year 12) senior class as well. Basically the same, but with better arguments against it.

I guess I'm saying, at least where *I* am, creationism is pretty much seen as outlandish and ridiculous.

Never mind.

 

[trivista]

Yes, someone ought to fix that.

You don't even know which creation theory was explained so how can you support something with out having all the facts?

 

[Athrond]

(some background)
I teach at a government school in Australia and my primary fields are English & senior philosophy. We've just started delving into philosophy of religion and to be fair, (and because it's contentious) I presented the case for Creationism. It was impartial, I backed it up non-sarcastically and gave as much "evidence" as I could.

I was almost laughed out of the room. All of my 20 or so students told me that creationism and intelligent design theory was utter junk. I challenged them and had them rationally support their arguments. After that, I had the idea to present creationism to my (year 12) senior class as well. Basically the same, but with better arguments against it.

I guess I'm saying, at least where *I* am, creationism is pretty much seen as outlandish and ridiculous.

Yay students

 

[AV1611VET]

(some background)
I teach at a government school in Australia and my primary fields are English & senior philosophy. We've just started delving into philosophy of religion and to be fair, (and because it's contentious) I presented the case for Creationism. It was impartial, I backed it up non-sarcastically and gave as much "evidence" as I could.

Sounds like someone needs a qualified teacher.

[bible]1 Timothy 3:6[/bible]

I was almost laughed out of the room. All of my 20 or so students told me that creationism and intelligent design theory was utter junk.

Interesting --- the students instructing the teacher. What a novel concept.

This folks, is the number one reason I do not trust our public education system to teach Creationism --- unqualified teachers that can't defend their stance - (let alone teach it).

 

[FishFace]

This folks, is the number one reason I do not trust our public education system to teach Creationism --- unqualified teachers that can't defend their stance - (let alone teach it).

In case you haven't noticed, no-one can rationally defend the creationist stance.

When you are asked to, you answer a few questions then scurry away when it gets difficult.

 

[AV1611VET]

In case you haven't noticed, no-one can rationally defend the creationist stance.

When you are asked to, you answer a few questions then scurry away when it gets difficult.

I'd love to teach a class of scientists and atheists Genesis 1 Creationism.

 

[Split Rock]

I'd love to teach a class of scientists and atheists Genesis 1 Creationism.

Considering how poorly you have done trying to do just that here in this forum, I cannot see where your enthusiasm comes from. How many of us have you convinced again here? None?

 

[AV1611VET]

Considering how poorly you have done trying to do just that here in this forum, I cannot see where your enthusiasm comes from. How many of us have you convinced again here? None?

Given you guys' propensities for joking and cutting-up, I'd be surprised if I did. That's the Holy Ghost's job, anyway - not mine.

 

[thaumaturgy]

I'd love to teach a class of scientists and atheists Genesis 1 Creationism.

It's pretty simple. It involves absolutely no technical information that can be learned. It requires only belief in an ex cathedra statement and it utilizes the human brain only inasmuch as it requires that our powers of observation be actively ignored and denied to the most full extent possible.

Easy-peasy as our brit friends are wont to say.

You see, AV, I am sure in your years getting your Associates Degree in a community college you might have not had sufficient time to actually grasp the full measure of what it means to "teach" or to even "learn" for that matter.

When I taught in both universities around the eastern half of the U.S. as well as a community college in the Boston area I actually got a chance to focus on what it means to teach.

It's a lot more involved than just "preaching". Because, you see, I believe you've spent far more time being preached at than being taught anything such that I don't think you have the requisite skills to teach.

What I've seen on this board is your expression of a mixture of Unsupported Statements and poorly constructed analogies.

Teaching really is a game of strategy. You show some inkling of understanding that strategy when you attempt to corral a discussion into one of your "Challenges" or your metaphorical examples. Unfortunately you don't go the extra length to actually think through your challenges or alter them in a meaningful way when it is shown by your students on here where they fail.

The first thing you learn when teaching is that the students are not all idiots. Often times you learn almost as much from what the students say or how they interpret your statements as they learn from you.

The worst teachers in the world, bar none, are those who dogmatically refuse to learn from the students.

All of us who actually know something about teaching have learned this the hard way.

I'm still no great shakes as a teacher, but it took me years to get to the point where I started to feel comfortable standing in front of students and teaching. Because I started to learn that the students can teach me a thing or two.

I suspect this is something you need to learn long before you will ever be able to teach anyone anything.

 

[Split Rock]

Given you guys' propensities for joking and cutting-up, I'd be surprised if I did. That's the Holy Ghost's job, anyway - not mine.

Then why are you here again??

 

[lemmings]

Given you guys' propensities for joking and cutting-up, I'd be surprised if I did. That's the Holy Ghost's job, anyway - not mine.

Well, there are both scientists and atheists here so I am going to assume that you mean a class of children. In that case, you expect children not to joke and mock every single statement that you make?

Hahaha, you're funny.

 

[Gremlins]

Interesting --- the students instructing the teacher. What a novel concept.

This folks, is the number one reason I do not trust our public education system to teach Creationism --- unqualified teachers that can't defend their stance - (let alone teach it).

Free thought alert! Free thought alert! All hands Bible-thumping stations!