I'm Sick and Tired

[P_G]

Colossians 2
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Yes Brother I know observing the Sabbath will not save you
And note I did not say that it would

However I will tell you that observing the Sabbath of the heart will bless you
For obedience to Gd is in and of itself a blessing

PG

 

[bleechers]

This is what you said:

If I tell you that you should observe the sabbath - that is scriptural

and you follow with:

Yes Brother I know observing the Sabbath will not save you
And note I did not say that it would

However I will tell you that observing the Sabbath of the heart will bless you
For obedience to Gd is in and of itself a blessing

In both you imply (state) that I should keep the Sabbath, even though the Sabbath was never given as a requirement for anyone but Israel.

What is "the Sabbath of the heart"? You didn't say that when you stated that I SHOULD OBSERVE the Sabbath.

Exodus 31
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Should we also observe "sabbath years" of the heart? What about "high sabbaths" of the heart? What about "feasts" of the heart? Or "new moons" of the heart? I'm not mocking, but this the danger of trying to impose the Law (i.e. "you SHOULD observe") on Christians.

As noted, Paul said that we are to let nobody judge us in regard to the sabbath days (plural). That does not just pertain to salvation.

Obedience to God is indeed a blessing, obedience to the Law only enslaves. And, again, the Law is not a "pick and choose" list. It's either all or nothing as noted in my last post. It is a dangerous thing to start using terms of the Law ("you should observe the Sabbath" etc.) in regard to the Church.

Acts 15
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

 

[Gold Dragon]

bleechers, he's on your side, remember? I'm the secular compromising heretic.

He isn't saying that we should observe the sabbath because we are under the law. He is simply saying that

1) observing the sabbath is Jewish law
2) We should observe the sabbath because it is pleasing to God.

Wouldn't dispensationlists agree that the OT law is useful for guiding those in this dispensation even though we are not under it? That is what he is saying.

 

[P_G]

Sorry about the punctuation


observing the Sabbath, of (from) the heart


Or in otherwords not becuase you HAVE to
But that you should WANT to

If you don't want to keep any of the commands thats fine Bleecher
Ultimately how and where you or anyone is at with Gd is between him and the L-rd.


I knew I knew I knew I should have said Murder every one agrees on murder.


Let me change

If I tell you that you should not Murder .........................



There, golly how we love to argue.


PG

 

[bleechers]

I knew I knew I knew I should have said Murder every one agrees on murder.

Let me change

If I tell you that you should not Murder .........................

I'm not angry... just wanted to clarify!

By the way, I reject "You should not murder" as well.

Why? Because if I'm going around thinking "Gosh, I'd love to murder a few people, but the law says 'Thou shalt not murder' so I'd better not" then I've got a problem that the law doesn't help me with.

I think this what you meant by "from the heart".

The law (all of it) is for children (Galatians) and for law-breakers (1 Tim 9).

Think of it this way: there's a law on the books in Montgomery (the capital of Alabama) that states that I MUST feed, shelter and clothe my children. Now, do I get up in the morning and say "Man, I guess I'd better feed the kids because the law says so!"? Do I even need to consult the law at all?

That law is for law-breakers. I need no law to tell me to do that which is natural. In my new man, it is natural to desire the things of God.

I still contend that the Sabbath (as an observance) is only for Israel. As a filthy dog Gentile, I had the law written on my conscience (Romans). Before their conscience is seared by sin, even gentiles (goyim) know in their conscience that murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, and even lusting is wrong... nobody ever was pricked in the conscience about Sabbath observing. It only applies to Israel (as noted in my previous post).

Thanks for the clarification and thanks for letting me clarify!

 

[BT]

Before their conscience is seared by sin, even gentiles (goyim) know in their conscience that murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, and even lusting is wrong... nobody ever was pricked in the conscience about Sabbath observing. It only applies to Israel (as noted in my previous post).

So I suppose that Jesus was wrong and should have said that the "Sabbath was made for Jews, and not Jews for the Sabbath." I'll have to white-out Mark 2:27 ACK!

 

[P_G]

Blessings to you all for I am the Lunch Lady!

What I have to serve is filling and good for you
though it may not be flashy and full of fancy things
I promise it will keep you alive!

So Join with me oh you Lunch Lady's out there
Help us fufill what Y'shua said

FEED MY SHEEP!

Brought to you by the annointed Lunch Ladies of G-ds Kingdom Inc.


And blessings on all them ladies that feed our kids at luchtime in school!



Blessings

Pastor Lunch Lady

 

[bleechers]

So I suppose that Jesus was wrong and should have said that the "Sabbath was made for Jews, and not Jews for the Sabbath." I'll have to white-out Mark 2:27 ACK!

VERY GOOD! I knew this verse was coming, so that is why I said "I still contend that the Sabbath (as an observance) is only for Israel". In creation (as in Mark 2) the day of rest is GIVEN to man. It pre-dates the law (see also marriage). The idea of the Sabbath for man was not created as a "legal observance" that came later, in the law, for Israel.

As noted in the Exodus passage, the observance of the Sabbath (as well as the new moons and feasts) was only for Israel. The observance of the Sabbaths (all of them) were given as a sign to Israel.

Ezekiel 20
12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

The Colossians passage declares that there is no such sign to the church. We neither have feasts nor sabbaths and we are not to let others judge us as to whether we "observe" such.


Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

How come we "observe" the sabbath, yet we don't "observe" feast days? Or High Sabbaths? Or Sabbath years? Or new moons? And who moved the "sabbath" to Sunday? The sabbath from creation has always been the last day of the week, not the first. We gather on Sundays, but not because it is the "new Christian Sabbath". (I know you're not saying that, this is a general appraisal of the issue. )

The creation sabbath was given for men to rest, not to "observe". It is from before the law. In Exodus 20 we see the rationale for the Sabbath from the creation, but the statute was specifically given to Israel as noted in Ex 31.

Exodus 31
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

That ain't me, babe.

That's gotta be worth at least 3 cents!

 

[JM]

I find a lot of compromising being done on Christian Forums (in general). 'Oh gosh, don't what to hurt anyones feelings.' The truth often hurts.

 

[@@Paul@@]

I find a lot of compromising being done on Christian Forums (in general). 'Oh gosh, don't what to hurt anyones feelings.' The truth often hurts.

Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?​

There's a bible verse for everything... "Ain't God great!!"

 

[Ave Maria]

I am so sick and tired of Evangelical Christianity Compromising the faith at every opportunity, that I could just about puke. On the way to work the past few days I've been hearing all about these fabulous books that are out now.
1) Finding God in Harry Potter
2) Finding God in the Matrix Movies

Can you believe this nonsense? It is not enough that evangelicals have compromised and altered the Gospel to be "seeker friendly" or "benefit oriented". They now have to take the wickedness of the world and shove God into it. The entire concept of Taking up your cross and following Christ daily has been totally disregarded as it does not produce the "numbers" that they are looking for.

Well I will not compromise the Gospel, and I will not bend Christ to suit the sinner. I won't avoid the issue of sin and hell and death. I won't try to change Christ into some utilitarian genie who, once you've said a prayer, pops out and grants your every wish: happiness, love, acceptance, peace. I won't marry up Christ with witchcraft, violence, blasphemy and sex. And I don't care if no one else ever gets saved as a result. Better that than to present a false Christ.


Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.


Ok I feel better now.

Amen and Amen! I am also sick of this! Thanks for posting this!