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Struggles by Non-Christians
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<blockquote data-quote="Sanoy" data-source="post: 72375076" data-attributes="member: 397693"><p>I don't think what your Pastor said means what you imagine. When Jesus confronted the Pharisees he called them lawless and white washed tombs. Clean on the outside and rotten on the inside. These are people that thought they knew righteousness but they never knew Him. They never knew Him because their heart never sought Him. They sought salvation to be sure....but they never sought Him. If God made Himself explicitly known all would seek salvation, but the same amount of people would seek Him as now seek Him. And seeking Him is the only path to salvation, not scientific knowledge of Him.</p><p></p><p>When you say that homosexuality does not seem wrong you are making a reference claim to an objective morality. Objective means <em>true whether anyone believes it is true or not</em>. If this objective morality exists, then God exists. If objective morality does not exist then God does not exist, neither is anything truly morally wrong. What is right refers to God's nature. He is the paradigm that goodness refers too. A measuring stick is a paradigm of length, to which all physical objects are referenced by. We were created to be imagers of God on earth, we do good when we act according to God's nature but we ourselves are not good as only God is good, He is the "measuring stick" to which goodness refers. There are many moral principles that can be refined logically to either a core moral value that we apprehend a priori or to a physical or mental benefit. For example helping someone in trouble. But it is not the case that all moral principles can be refined logically to a core value we can apprehend.</p><p></p><p>Lets take the example of the inventor of the automobile. He designed the automobile to serve humans and make their lives better, not drive them into a crowd of people and murder them. When God made us He had a scope in mind for how we should be, and what is outside that scope whether we comprehend it or not, is contrary to His intentions for us, and therefore contrary to His nature. Because God is the paradigm that goodness refers to what is outside His nature is not good.</p><p></p><p>Faith that leads to salvation is trusting in Jesus's promise to save you. Being lawful does not save. Not failing miserably like all of us privately do each day does not save. Trusting in the promise given to you and me is the faith that leads to salvation.</p><p></p><p>Luke 18:10-14 is my favorite parable/</p><p>"Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sanoy, post: 72375076, member: 397693"] I don't think what your Pastor said means what you imagine. When Jesus confronted the Pharisees he called them lawless and white washed tombs. Clean on the outside and rotten on the inside. These are people that thought they knew righteousness but they never knew Him. They never knew Him because their heart never sought Him. They sought salvation to be sure....but they never sought Him. If God made Himself explicitly known all would seek salvation, but the same amount of people would seek Him as now seek Him. And seeking Him is the only path to salvation, not scientific knowledge of Him. When you say that homosexuality does not seem wrong you are making a reference claim to an objective morality. Objective means [I]true whether anyone believes it is true or not[/I]. If this objective morality exists, then God exists. If objective morality does not exist then God does not exist, neither is anything truly morally wrong. What is right refers to God's nature. He is the paradigm that goodness refers too. A measuring stick is a paradigm of length, to which all physical objects are referenced by. We were created to be imagers of God on earth, we do good when we act according to God's nature but we ourselves are not good as only God is good, He is the "measuring stick" to which goodness refers. There are many moral principles that can be refined logically to either a core moral value that we apprehend a priori or to a physical or mental benefit. For example helping someone in trouble. But it is not the case that all moral principles can be refined logically to a core value we can apprehend. Lets take the example of the inventor of the automobile. He designed the automobile to serve humans and make their lives better, not drive them into a crowd of people and murder them. When God made us He had a scope in mind for how we should be, and what is outside that scope whether we comprehend it or not, is contrary to His intentions for us, and therefore contrary to His nature. Because God is the paradigm that goodness refers to what is outside His nature is not good. Faith that leads to salvation is trusting in Jesus's promise to save you. Being lawful does not save. Not failing miserably like all of us privately do each day does not save. Trusting in the promise given to you and me is the faith that leads to salvation. Luke 18:10-14 is my favorite parable/ "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted." [/QUOTE]
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