"I'm not going to THEIR heaven...."

[LovebirdsFlying]

Some of us do believe this, but we're not s'posed to tell

It's perfectly OK with me that you believe that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Radkal We should believe that Everyone gets saved by grace and makes it to heaven and there is no hell....

Some of us do believe this, but we're not s'posed to tell

Sounds like the makings for a new thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7552265/
Why don't so many Christians believe in a real burning hell

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I just looked over this thread and was pretty disapointed.....

If i didn't know any better i would of thought i was at a George Bush Convention....

We are Liberals - Liberal MEANS LOVE!!

We should believe that Everyone gets saved by grace and makes it to heaven and there is no hell....

So what if this guy was a jerk - he is still human just like us and we are all the same....Nobody is better than anyonelse and nobody deserves to go to heaven anymore than anyonelse...

Love Each other - or go post in the conservative section.

I just noticed you are an atheist.
If I am not mistaken, this is a Christian only section and there are boards you can post on, but, wat da heck do I know

Outreach - Christian Forums
Outreach

 

[lismore]

Apologies for the confusion. I meant that was what I said, almost verbatim actually, and in doing so, lost a person very near and dear to me because I chose to believe in love and sacrifice over something like fear and guilt. That being the case, I found the comment very refreshing.

Hi Treehouse

I'm glad you found my comment refreshing One of the good things about being in a forum such as this is that you realise you are not alone. What you have experienced has been experienced by others all over the globe. God Bless.

 

[BondiHarry]

I don't know the context in which this was said, but I think I understand. It's human nature to desire justice, and this person was probably looking at those who believe that a thief, rapist, murderer can enter heaven simply by a change of heart and wondering where that justice is. I don't blame them, really, particularly when said belief is often accompanied by 'non-Christians don't go to heaven.'

The funny thing about only Christians going to heaven is that a whole lot of Christians have a mistaken understanding of what being a Christian means. A Christian follows Jesus, does the will of His Father and displays the fruit of the Holy Spirit (love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance). Those who do gain heaven are going to be meeting people that will cause them to proclaim "I didn't know you were Christian" and they will also be noting who is not there (church going, Bible thumping hypocrites ... perhaps like those who turned Mohatma Gandhi away from their church because he was the 'wrong' color, those who steal the bread of the labor of their neighbor by proxy, those who in their zeal to 'love' all people dismiss God's warnings about certain sins and declare that they were not really sins afterall).

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

The funny thing about only Christians going to heaven is that a whole lot of Christians have a mistaken understanding of what being a Christian means. A Christian follows Jesus, does the will of His Father and displays the fruit of the Holy Spirit (love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance). Those who do gain heaven are going to be meeting people that will cause them to proclaim "I didn't know you were Christian" and they will also be noting who is not there (church going, Bible thumping hypocrites ... perhaps like those who turned Mohatma Gandhi away from their church because he was the 'wrong' color, those who steal the bread of the labor of their neighbor by proxy, those who in their zeal to 'love' all people dismiss God's warnings about certain sins and declare that they were not really sins afterall).

Reminds me of a recent discovery at our church. In reading old by-laws from the 1950's, there was shock all around to find out that our church had once made the decision: "Concerning Negroes, we will accept them into our congregation, but we will not evangelize to them."

And this was considered progressive! The modern-day shock over this idea is comforting, and the true irony comes in considering how many biracial marriages exist in the congregation of that same church nowadays. In fact, even our pastor is married to a woman of another race.

Which, he says, has caused him to lose some jobs, especially in the South. He has actually been told, "We won't have a pastor who's married to a (slur on southeast Asians I won't repeat.)"

As the stepmother of a half-Asian, half-European young man myself, I agree wholeheartedly with what was said by a friend on another site: "God made mixed-race kids extra beautiful to show people how stupid racism is."

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

I just noticed you are an atheist.
If I am not mistaken, this is a Christian only section and there are boards you can post on, but, wat da heck do I know

Outreach - Christian Forums
Outreach

To be fair, I do think atheists are welcome to post in WWMC, but I don't like having a newcomer come in and say I'm posting in the wrong forum. Or, that I should believe something he himself doesn't believe.

I am not offended simply by an atheist posting here. But I won't silently sit by and be mocked.

 

[lismore]

I have been a Catholic. When I was a Pentecostal I went to an encounter weekend.

I have been obsessed with sin and repented of sins I had never even heard of. Personal sins, generational sins, etc.

But it's not about what we do, it's about what Jesus has done.

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Grace can be hard to accept! It's hard to accept that it's not about us, not about our deeds and doctrines, it's about Jesus.

 

[Shropshire Anglican]

It's sad when people say this, but even sadder when you hear Christians say things like this.

 

[lismore]

Some of us do believe this, but we're not s'posed to tell

Hey there!

Is there not a sub-forum yet for holders of that belief that will not be named?

I would be interested in visiting!

 

[plmarquette]

my god....my heaven....my religion....

whether we agree or not, Jesus said there are rules, here and there
wheter we like it or not, in order to get from here to there, some thing is required of us
love... genuine concern for others, forgiveness, intercession, assistance, time, money, and talent...in some area, in some field, at some time and place

faith and God is not a smorgasboard...cannot take the pie and leave the meat and potatos....

 

[meliagaunt]

If Heaven exists, even if people in Heaven are still the same recognisable individuals they were on Earth, then they will still have been transformed into something much more wonderful:
'Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.' (2Cor 4)
So presumably the murderers, rapists etc - and all of us other sinners! - will have had that evil purged and eradicated by God, so that the original child of God, made in God's image will be restored.
Also, the victims will have been comforted, healed, and restored to their intended glory.
And those who long for the cold justice of revenge will have had the eyes of forgiveness opened by God.

So Heaven won't be full of resentful, hurt souls who feel God has neglected justice, but full of healed souls who are, in the words of the hymn, Ransomed, Healed, Restored, Forgiven.

Please God, let me, and all of those posting here, be received into that Heaven in Your good time.

 

[QuakerOats]

If Heaven exists, even if people in Heaven are still the same recognisable individuals they were on Earth, then they will still have been transformed into something much more wonderful:
'Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.' (2Cor 4)
So presumably the murderers, rapists etc - and all of us other sinners! - will have had that evil purged and eradicated by God, so that the original child of God, made in God's image will be restored.
Also, the victims will have been comforted, healed, and restored to their intended glory.
And those who long for the cold justice of revenge will have had the eyes of forgiveness opened by God.

So Heaven won't be full of resentful, hurt souls who feel God has neglected justice, but full of healed souls who are, in the words of the hymn, Ransomed, Healed, Restored, Forgiven.

Please God, let me, and all of those posting here, be received into that Heaven in Your good time.

I prefer to believe this as well. Thank you.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Amen, Meliagaunt.