I'm merely curious, looking for an open minded and mature discussion.

[flibbleflob]

Well, considering we see Lucifer as the evilest of guys, we attribute the evilest of things to him. So child sacrifice seems right up his alley. else?

you do know christians where going around killing woman for being "witchs"not so long ago 5million infact not satan but the churshs going around killing in the name of god, 100s of millions killed in the name of "god" why should i fear lucifer? do you even know the history of the bibles? how the testaments where handpicked and rewriten to rule over people in 300AD?

 

[flibbleflob]

Pallas, we also believe in the literal Satan, and everything else scripture tells us about him. There is nothing good about him, and nothing he promotes is good - so why follow him? We also believe in the reality of hell, so why choose this option?

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you do know that the idea of hell was man made "satan" only appeared in a "bible" after many rewrites to make people fear and make people become a christian out of fear? think for your self and read some books

 

[vespasia]

Flibble,

I suggest you read Issac Bonewits or even Prof' Hutton.

People tend to kill other people who they percieve to be different to them in some way regardless of the social group.

Most who were burnt in the the so called burning times were Christian heretics. I suggest you also read Page.

 

[Pallas]

Without blaspheming our Lord's name, I must admit that Satanism is quite an interesting faith/philosophy (depending on how you look at it). Basically adherants of Satanism have sympathy towards Lucifer (also known as Satan or the Devil) for having been cast into hell after trying to usurp God's throne.

Satanists generally resent God's position, they see Him as an autocrat and megalomaniac. This is why Satanism may be interpreted as a form of libertarianism in which no individual (God in this case) can impose their will on you...that in reality you are your own master. They sympathise with Satan for having tried to change the status quo, and see Christians as blind followers. This was shown in the book ''Paradise Lost.''

Of course I completely and utterly resent this view but I understand what you're envisioning. Still...I would advise you against using using the term Satanism. Had he been a libertarian, there would be no sin in the world and everything would be fine. The fact of the matter is that Satan is the epitome of evil, he is the n.1 aggressor. He caused sin in the first place by tempting Adam and Eve.

However indeed, as a Satanist, you would regard some parts of the Bible as propaganda made by God. Thus, like I do with any other world religion, let's agree to disagree. You believe in a different god and devil from me, you are part of your own religion and it would be in our best interests to have mutual respect at this point

You are literally the most mature and understanding person I have seen on here so far.

 

[flibbleflob]

Flibble,

I suggest you read Issac Bonewits or even Prof' Hutton.

People tend to kill other people who they percieve to be different to them in some way regardless of the social group.

Most who were burnt in the the so called burning times were Christian heretics. I suggest you also read Page.

no they were woman who would be killed if anyone said they were a witch, use herbs to help with a disease=witch, woman whohad a opinion=witch, belive in anything other then a christian white god=witch, had nothing to do with being "heretics" just poor woman killed for god by the servents of god

 

[Pallas]

Hmmmm... So what does "theistic" have to do with Satanism? As I understand it, a Satanist wouldn't follow any religious codes unless it helps them. So does "theistic" mean you(personally) believe in a "god", but don't necessarily see them as more than the "god" within yourself? I'm a little confuzzled...

Explained on the first page.

 

[vespasia]

Flbble.

Please - read Prof Hutton and Bonewits or anything with a decent review from Capell Bann - please.

Note bene: post-LHP.

 

[flibbleflob]

Flbble.

Please - read Prof Hutton and Bonewits or anything with a decent review from Capell Bann - please.

Note bene: post-LHP.

sure may i ask why? and what book/books?

 

[vespasia]

Use a search engine with the information you have. Prof. Ronald Hutton ring any bells. Bonewits has not been dead for that long his name has been lost.

No wonder my friends in the Pagfed have to feed me hot tea whilst I lament the soundbite aspect of the surface generation.
I also need plenty of hot tea at church meetings when everyone knows assumptions get wheeled out for similar reasons.

 

[flibbleflob]

oh

 

[Girder of Loins]

Explained on the first page.

I don't know how I forgot that....

 

[Cearbhall]

The only thing satan will get anyone is In the wrong place. When he thought he could overpower GOD, he was sent to hell, It was now his filth, If you get involved with satan's filth, its where you will live in

As I remember it, he got thrown out because he wanted to serve God and God alone.

 

[Pallas]

Let's rekindle this.

 

[Spikey4672]

i have to admit this is probably the most interesting thing i have ever seen on a christian website
So i do believe myself too ignorant in the teachings of Satanism to argue against its points but i would like to ask you a question Pallas, the core beliefs as i have understood them is that you view God as an unjust being and that Lucifer was cast out of heaven unfairly and that he should be placed as a deity or at some position of prestige. So if God is imperfect, what reason is it to put Lucifer above him, how is Lucifer any more righteous than God? There have been many accounts where God's mercy and love has been given to people and there are many accounts where his righteous wrath came upon those, however i never recall Lucifer ever having any such affairs with people at all. Basically my question is where does pity turn into reverence?

 

[Pallas]

i have to admit this is probably the most interesting thing i have ever seen on a christian website
So i do believe myself too ignorant in the teachings of Satanism to argue against its points but i would like to ask you a question Pallas, the core beliefs as i have understood them is that you view God as an unjust being and that Lucifer was cast out of heaven unfairly and that he should be placed as a deity or at some position of prestige. So if God is imperfect, what reason is it to put Lucifer above him, how is Lucifer any more righteous than God? There have been many accounts where God's mercy and love has been given to people and there are many accounts where his righteous wrath came upon those, however i never recall Lucifer ever having any such affairs with people at all. Basically my question is where does pity turn into reverence?

And my answer is: I don't take the Bible literally.

 

[Girder of Loins]

I just don't see where you get your information from... I know LaVey has the "life philosophy" as you called it, but where would one find the exact details surrounding your belief system?

 

[baseball21]

No christian should hate you for what you believe. We are called to love everyone. But we also are told by God to "hate" anything that is distasteful to him and would draw us away from him. So you should be shown love because you were created by God. But christians can get defensive over their faith when they see someone believing something that they know is clearly wrong. With that said, no one should hate you as a person. You should be loved despite what you believe.

God bless

 

[Pallas]

I just don't see where you get your information from... I know LaVey has the "life philosophy" as you called it, but where would one find the exact details surrounding your belief system?

The Satanic Bible and the Church of Satan's website.

 

[Pallas]

No christian should hate you for what you believe. We are called to love everyone. But we also are told by God to "hate" anything that is distasteful to him and would draw us away from him. So you should be shown love because you were created by God. But christians can get defensive over their faith when they see someone believing something that they know is clearly wrong. With that said, no one should hate you as a person. You should be loved despite what you believe.

God bless

This is nice, you're a good person.

 

[Metal Minister]

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