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Forsakenfaith

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I have tried christianity and got nowhere, I tried paganism and found faith, and then lost it again. Idk what to do, I am very philosophical and many great philosphers were believers in god yet i cant for some reason.
I've tried and tried and i cant get anywhere. I've thought and thought and cannot find true reasons to believe in god. I used to suffer severe depression and I have been cured by seeking proffesional help. Yet my doubts linger on god. My family is methodist, I have told them my doubts in god and they have not forsaken me but believe i need to find faith. I do not attend church. Please give me some advice, some irrefutable evidence that there is a god, and even if there was, what would he think of me?

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Man is a spiritual being. He will always focus on something, anything, to have meaning and purpose. As Samuel Butler said, "the fight between the theist and the atheist is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name." If nothing else its health, wealth, and power.

I can't offer you irrefutable proof that the Christian God exists, but you probably already know what he offers. Obviously you feel like you need something. Do you have sufficient health, wealth, and power that you desire nothing more? Or do you feel like you're so righteous that you don't need a God to seek as a symbol of perfection?
 
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I've thought and thought and cannot find true reasons to believe in god.
Well, my viewpoint is that attempts at ontological arguments are usually in vain (then again I'm something of an existentialist; our world is fundamentally shaped by the choices we make, and faith is really no exception to that). No amount of pure thought or thought experiments or formulations will likely give you an answer, and that's also the reason why it's pretty much impossible to have solid evidence given by believers.

The evidence is typically from personal experience, and that kind of experience is difficult if not totally impossible to relate to others in a form of acceptable fact if you don't already accept the premises the statements of faith are based on. If you do, or are at least open to the possibility, then the proof offered can be accepted more easily. Still doesn't change the highly experiential nature of it all.

I used to suffer severe depression and I have been cured by seeking proffesional help. Yet my doubts linger on god. My family is methodist, I have told them my doubts in god and they have not forsaken me but believe i need to find faith. I do not attend church. Please give me some advice, some irrefutable evidence that there is a god, and even if there was, what would he think of me?
I don't know if this is sort of the case, but medical/psychological help and believing in God aren't mutually exclusive. There are a lot of groups that disavow all medical help of the sort and rely on explanations that "if your faith is true/strong you'll be healed" or so on, but those viewpoints are dangerous, on both sides of the argument. For the record, I was put on anti-depressants in high school (not for depression, but for panic/anxiety - I certainly felt depressive though, and I did see improvement in that area while I was taking them), and a couple of those years were very dark periods in my life.

For those that swear off doctors, the ramification could be that the sick person dies, and as a result of that, the opinion of that person or their family is tinted with the idea that their faith was not up to some golden standard, which is a horrid thing to think about yourself or others, especially in the wake of someone's death (that doubt can also manifest in those that do seek and get treatment, thinking that if their faith were only stronger then they wouldn't need it, which then causes more unnecessary pain in their spiritual life). On the flip side, who is to say that the methods used by God to heal someone don't come from the realm of medical specialists and those who have used their talents to help others. It largely underlies the faith/science debate, but I won't get into that here. Science (or medicine, or pick-a-field) is the use of our God-given intelligence, if that's the view you choose to have of things, and thus to accept that one can use that intelligence to help others and glorify God is just as much in the spirit of faith and conviction as someone who doesn't hold that viewpoint, or that God can use those who don't believe to do His work just as much as those who do.

Scripturally-speaking, you don't have to be worried about what He thinks of you, as it says in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life", or the parable of the Prodigal Son, He loves us, even if the things we do aren't always right. It's made very clear there that even though we can't possibly live up to the standard set down, believing and making the effort to try is all that's asked of us to be welcomed, forgiven, etc. Maybe that sounds overly simplistic, but a lot of profound things in many areas are often simplistic, even if making the effort to carry them out is not. Depending on who you listen to or how you decide to approach things, the effort may even precede the belief. This comes back to experience being a key factor - how many times is one unconvinced of something before they try something new, or attempt a different way of accomplishing a task? The lessons learned in the pursuit are often the underlying point, even if you don't necessarily know where it's leading.

Talking from experience, Methodists are somewhat of an odd duck amongst Protestants to start with, as we technically weren't part of the Reformation (originating in the late 1700s because of the American Revolution rather than in the 1500s/1600s [or] because of a theological dispute), and being descended from Anglicanism, have a lot of elements that still strongly resemble the Church of England rather than the more stereotypical Protestant embodied in Baptists, Presbyterians, or so on. There is a heavy focus, when you get into the theological heart of it, on Reason and Experience to help in faith, interpret Scripture, and shape the way we observe the world around us. There's also a strong focus on grace and the idea that faith isn't static - that's it's not some one-time thing and then you're set. It's more of a journey and a process of growth, and a large focus on what you're doing now than what may happen tomorrow or a year or ten, fifty, a hundred years down the road. Fittingly, Methodists also generally don't talk about the end times too much (although this is partly because there's no singular viewpoint that Methodism holds to - I'm a preterist, but I was raised in an environment that was largely premillennialist, and both are fine from the standpoint of the UMC). The way I see things is, if I'm right in where I'm putting my faith, great, and if I'm wrong, then at the very least I did what I felt was right and lived a fulfilling life because of that. There's really nothing else we can do except hold fast to our convictions.
 
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Sometimes people are afflicted by a Spirit of Unbelief(google it). No matter how hard they try something or someone rather, talks them out of their faith. I am a science major and struggled with always trying to reason the supernatural, which is as you know, impossible. We have science to understand the natural world, and faith to understand why we are here. I discovered that the battle going on in my mind was spiritual and had to be fought with spiritual weapons and not earthly ones (pseudo-intellect resulting in unbelief and pride/"high things" which oppose God).
 
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Man is a spiritual being. He will always focus on something, anything, to have meaning and purpose. As Samuel Butler said, "the fight between the theist and the atheist is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name." If nothing else its health, wealth, and power.

I can't offer you irrefutable proof that the Christian God exists, but you probably already know what he offers. Obviously you feel like you need something. Do you have sufficient health, wealth, and power that you desire nothing more? Or do you feel like you're so righteous that you don't need a God to seek as a symbol of perfection?

I am a smoker therfore I would not say I have health, I see pointlessness in wealth, and power leads to destruction. I come to this forum humble, asking only for some advice that could lead to faith, to belief. I seek wisdom, I seek enlightenment. I never declared I was righteous. I Have prayed, and felt a moment of hapiness. Hapiness comes from God.
It is written, god wants us to be happy. I wish to be happy.
In faith, will come hapiness is what I think.
Im seeking faith.
Is this wrong?
 
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I imagine you have some inhibitions that you'll have to find and strip away, but faith is not going to lead you to a constant state of euphoria. It will only help you cope with the problems you have.

As for me personally there was a moment I was "saved" in a conservative evangelical tradition and it didn't mean much to me then. I was about 10-years-old and that was just something my family expected of me. I got out of church and pretty much forgot about everything when I was in high school and eventually my other activities crossed paths with Christianity again, although far different from the impersonal religion I remembered which the only point of was to keep yourself out of hell. Just a couple years ago I had a "surrender" moment and that has taught me what faith is really about. I was involved in a lot of community and political activism but was always disheartened that I couldn't make a bigger difference. With faith I realize I might not be changing the world, or even my community, but more importantly I'm changing lives for individuals. In faith I trust God to do the work through me, and be far more effective than anything I can do without it.
 
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