Im looking for a few answers to a couple of very serious questions.

[RobertZ]

Okay, first of all unless I am mistaken calvinist believe that God simply skips over the non elect and leaves them to themselves without intervening in their lives. Of course with the elect we see that God intervenes and saves them.

Now I would like to know exactly how this fits in with the unpardonable sin? We all know that their is an unpardonable sin and the only way one can commit the unpardonable sin is today is to have come under conviction by the Holy Spirit but yet fail to yield to his call and be converted. We see this sin mentioned a few times in the Book of Hebrews where a person can come right up to the point of salvation and even be enlightened by the Holy Ghost!

So tell me how it is that Calvinism states that God never deals with or speaks to the non elect when scripture seems to indicate otherwise.



"Because I called and you refused, I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention; And you neglected all my counsel And did not want my reproof; I will also laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your dread comes, When your dread comes like a storm And your calamity comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.
Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently but they will not find me, Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD."


Seems to me that God calls even those who will not come to him.

 

[kenrapoza]

Aren't you duplicating a thread in the same forum by posting this?

 

[Tallen]

The way this reads you are not asking for the sake of finding an answer. Is that right?

 

[JesusFreak78]

Okay, first of all unless I am mistaken calvinist believe that God simply skips over the non elect and leaves them to themselves without intervening in their lives. Of course with the elect we see that God intervenes and saves them.

Now I would like to know exactly how this fits in with the unpardonable sin? We all know that their is an unpardonable sin and the only way one can commit the unpardonable sin is today is to have come under conviction by the Holy Spirit but yet fail to yield to his call and be converted. We see this sin mentioned a few times in the Book of Hebrews where a person can come right up to the point of salvation and even be enlightened by the Holy Ghost!

So tell me how it is that Calvinism states that God never deals with or speaks to the non elect when scripture seems to indicate otherwise.



"Because I called and you refused, I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention; And you neglected all my counsel And did not want my reproof; I will also laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your dread comes, When your dread comes like a storm And your calamity comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.
Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently but they will not find me, Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD."


Seems to me that God calls even those who will not come to him.

Who has said God never deals with them? The question is not if God deals with unbelievers, but how does He deals with them.

God doesn't call all people to Himself, but as an example God calls all people to repent (Acts 17:30), but He doesn't grant repentance to all people (2 Timothy 2:25)

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

(Many) shall be ( called), but ( few) shall be (chosen).

 

[BrotherBob]

RobertZ, I might suggest you read Chapter 23 in book 3 of Calvin's Institutes if the Christian Religion. He speaks of elections and reprobation.
It's available online.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

Okay, first of all unless I am mistaken calvinist believe that God simply skips over the non elect and leaves them to themselves without intervening in their lives. Of course with the elect we see that God intervenes and saves them.

Now I would like to know exactly how this fits in with the unpardonable sin? We all know that their is an unpardonable sin and the only way one can commit the unpardonable sin is today is to have come under conviction by the Holy Spirit but yet fail to yield to his call and be converted. We see this sin mentioned a few times in the Book of Hebrews where a person can come right up to the point of salvation and even be enlightened by the Holy Ghost!

So tell me how it is that Calvinism states that God never deals with or speaks to the non elect when scripture seems to indicate otherwise.



"Because I called and you refused, I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention; And you neglected all my counsel And did not want my reproof; I will also laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your dread comes, When your dread comes like a storm And your calamity comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.
Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently but they will not find me, Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD."


Seems to me that God calls even those who will not come to him.

A True believer will never commit the unpardonable sin. That is for a number of reasons. First, as a New Creation in Christ, we do not have that ability. Second, the grace of YHWH will keep us from blowing it...

R.C. Sproul Covers this in "Chosen by God"

Blessings