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hi everyone
i have a problem with churchs i know i need to find and attend one however i just dont believe in things they do
and have a hard time over looking them i have tried several one is very large and known nationwide it is
called world harvest (less than a mile from my house)
there is no interaction from the congragation if you have a prayer request you must write it down and put it in a box they have a bible collage,elementary school,even there own doctors in house but the normal person cant afford to use any of the services,i tried my mothers church the people are wonderful and very caring how ever recently they had a fund raisier with cookbooks
and raised over 5,000.00 that was great but there getting new sinks for the kitchen i just dont understand
there are so many people in need yet churchs are buying $15,000 windows and $ thousands on new
carpet ect i understand wanting to have a nice
place of worship but i dont believe this is what god intends tilth to go for any thoughts would be appriciated
 

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Hello deb7648.

Please consider what a church is and what church is for. First, the church is both the (collective) body of Christians and the (mystical) body of Christ (Rom. 12:4,5; 1 Cor. 12:12-27; Eph. 1:23; 4:4 ff; 5:30; Col. 2:19). God's church is from "above". The church is "the mother that begets and bears every Christian through the Word of God". God created the church, not man. The vertical dimension (God makes, man responds) is what shapes the horizontal dimension (the relationship between the individual people in the church).

The modern notion of the church as a religious club/federation/group formed by the voluntary banding together of life-minded individuals is a secular perversion of what God instituted at Pentecost.

Church is where we go to be fed by the Word of God. To receive His free gifts of baptism and communion. Then we respond in thanksgiving, prayer, praise. Then we go out into the world to live out our lives (vocation) in the knowledge that we are new creatures, in a proper relationship with God. This allows us to function in the world.

So which church should you join? Why, the one that most agrees with what God's Word (Bible) teaches. We cannot look into the hearts of people to see if they are disciples or hypocrites. Only God can do that. But we can see for ourselves which groups are better at teaching the Word and distributing the gifts.

New sinks and windows aren't important, but they may be the expression of thankfulness from members. Sure, money could be spent in different ways, but if you don't pay the electric bill and keep up the building then there will not be a place to assemble and worship.

Are the churches you looked at more concerned with what men do or what God has done? I don't care what fancy words they use or how "good" they make a person feel with their worship styles. What is really important, your relationship with God - which comes from God, is dependant on God, is supported and nurished by God (not from you, not dependant on you, not nurished by you) or is your thoughts and feelings and relationships with the other people in those churches? Is what they teach centered on themselves or on Christ? That's what you need to determine in order to choose a church.

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When Christ taught it was outdoors on a street corner on steps and yet he glorified God because he walked in Love, where did the Church get the idea that it is the building that golifys God and not the hearts of christians, would Christ use $$ to by stained glass or to feed the poor to glorify God? would Christ meet in peoples homes our would he pay rent on a seperate building? would he take that money and help those who need help? Which shines the brightest to those in darkness a hand to the fallen reached out in Love, or a fancy building setting on the corner of a street. my opion and it probally aint worth much is that Christ will ask these questians and we will have to answer them. I wish someone would show me in the Bible where it says that we are to spend Gods money on a building and not on Loving our neighbor, the body of Christ the church is found within the heart, within Love of God within Love of our neighbor , not within four walls, walls dont glorify God Love does, MAKE STRAIGHT HIS WAY
 
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i hope there are churches that think this way out there i live in a small rual area that doesnt have so i am stuck with having to resort to handing out pamplets of encouragement town to town and church to church, that helps make straight Gods Way, and teach my children from home, and try to help out here on the forum, yet my heart continues to seek a church that understands the true heart of Christ, God willing i will find one, tell then i will serve him how he has showed me to , maybe thats what he wants in the first place.
 
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millerrod said:
i hope there are churches that think this way out there i live in a small rual area that doesnt have so i am stuck with having to resort to handing out pamplets of encouragement town to town and church to church, that helps make straight Gods Way, and teach my children from home, and try to help out here on the forum, yet my heart continues to seek a church that understands the true heart of Christ, God willing i will find one, tell then i will serve him how he has showed me to , maybe thats what he wants in the first place.

it helps to know others feel this way as well
thank you for sharing your story it really hit
home with me :hug:
 
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Hello millerod.

You posted - "When Christ taught it was outdoors on a street corner on steps and yet he glorified God because he walked in Love,"

You have forgotten that both Christ while He was here on earth taught within the confines of the temple. Also the Apostles tried to teach in the temple and got into trouble with the authorities for it, being told not to do so. Jesus also taught in local places of worship, such as His home town. So did Paul and the others. Remember there were no Christian places to worship in that time frame, and Christians were quickly excluded from the local synagoges.

After Christianity was declared a licit religion under the Romans the Christians jumped at the chance to have churches of their own. They abandoned the worship site in rooms put aside for that use in people's homes.

You posted - "where did the Church get the idea that it is the building that golifys God and not the hearts of christians,"

This has not correct Christian teaching. You have been mis-taught. Using the best you can to make a house of worship the best it can be honors the Lord. It has nothing to do with "in the hearts of".

You posted - "would Christ use $$ to by stained glass or to feed the poor to glorify God? would Christ meet in peoples homes our would he pay rent on a seperate building? would he take that money and help those who need help? "

Since they didn't have that type of stained glass back then I take you words to mean that Christ (and therefore a "true" Christian) would only use money to help others and not support the local congregation. I disagree. Plenty of the money you yourself give to your church goes to pay the electric bill, clean the carpet, perhaps advertise. Whatever. Your group doesn't give away all the money. Bet you buy coffee and doughnuts once in a while. Shame on you! Remember that the stained glass in the medieval cathedrals were looked at as teaching tools for the illiterate.

As above, Christ met in the temple and local assemblies as well as outdoors. Didn't seem to bother Him anywhere near as it seems to bother you.

You posted - "I wish someone would show me in the Bible where it says that we are to spend Gods money on a building and not on Loving our neighbor"

There is a lot not written down in the Bible. So this choice is not specifically referred to in scripture. But we are to love our neighbor, and we are to give to God the best we can, the firstfruits for instance. Where do all those churches who feed the homeless out of their basements do this good work if not in the building you seem to disparage so much? Once the feeders of the hungry begin to feed the homeless in their building, do they give no thought nor money to keeping the building intact and in a useable condition? Do they not put up pictures and signs and such things to express the Christian message? Do not these things cost money? What good is a picture of the Good Shepherd with a caption "God loves you" which a person could see and think about? Why no good at all according to you logic.

You posted - "the body of Christ the church is found within the heart, within Love of God within Love of our neighbor , not within four walls, walls dont glorify God Love does"

To some extent I agree with you here. Our reactions to what God has already done for us is more important than specific places. I disagree when you put forth the position that places are not able to glorify God. God Himself in both the Old and New Testaments instructed His people to create and use specific places in order to glorify Him. Your logic keeps coming across to me as "if you do this you can't do the other". I disagree with this. I think you can do both.

God will be found where HE told us to find Him. In His Word, in Baptism, in the Sacrament of the Altar. That's where we have been instructed to look for and find Him. Certainly the Holy Spirit assists us, steers us in the proper directions, "lives" in us. But do not denigrate the holy (set aside for a special purpose) place where Christians congregate to hear the life giving Word of God and receive His gifts at the hands of His representatives, the pastors.

You posted - "MAKE STRAIGHT HIS WAY"

Yes. But we have to do it His way, not the way men think is correct. We do not have to come up with false dicotomys which obscure the truth. Remember that just because somebody gathers a group together outside and feeds a few folks doesn't mean that they are not teaching nonsense. Plenty of false prophets and teachers over the years who have done and are doing just that.

Pax
 
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I kind of see millerrod's point. I would love to go to a church where the congregation would just meet in anyone's house, where we all learn about God as brothers and sisters in Christ. The fellowship would feel more like family.

Doing this, the collection that the church takes up doesn't have to pay bills; it can go to outreach programs and missions. The Body of Christ isn't localized. There are millions of people around the world who need help, and who need to hear the Good News. It would be so refreshing to see more churches without borders sharing their blessing of prosperity.
 
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in the old testament God dwelled in the tabernackle, in the new testament and now God according to 1 Cor3:16 states know ye not that ye are the temple of God and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you. The Holy Spirit dwells within each of us, does this not allow us to worship anywhere we stand, i am not against the church having a building to assemble in for this is Bible , i do questian as do many others if Christ would prefer his money be spent to help others as many churches i am sure are doing, as the others have spoke it is the excess, new vans when the old is perfectly good new carpet when the old is ok, the church teaches that we should help others and then we see these kind of examples and are confused it sends mixed teachings, material things are to have no meaning yet what are we teaching, do we have a problem with paying a pastor? no do we have a problem with paying lights and heat? no, i think it was quit clear what we were speaking of, we are speaking of excess and of an unclear message of material worldly possesions, we each will have to stand before Christ and answer for our teachings and our beliefs and our actions and the condition of our heart, because some of us are bothered, because some of us the Spirit within us speaks against having spent thousands of dollars on material excess, and we think this money could be better spent to help those in need makes us bad christians or bad teachers i would beg to differ. It does make us christians who are trying to follow the commandments Christ gave to us to Love our neighbor and to Love God. i am very sorry if this offends someone but again i will state MAKE STRAIGHT GODS WAY!!!
 
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I'm lucky enough to attend a church where the Bible is taught as the absolute final authority, and where there is plenty of congregational interaction and light-hearted humour.

Find such a church.

And do things to the best of your ability. You are only human. And so are we. God recognises this, and you should, too. That said, do what you can and things will be right.
 
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