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I'm Having A Hard Time Believing In God.

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I'm very confused. At times I'll be on fire for God then there's times like this where I doubt everything. I know it's not about feelings but I at least want to know he's there. I'm ashamed to call myself a christian because I can't even defend my faith. If someone asked me why I believe in God I can recite what someone else said but truthfully I'm not sure, I just want to be happy. At times like this I feel like God will look down on me because I'm a lukewarm christian; I'm ashamed to call myself christian so he is ashamed of me; and the worst part is I feel like it's literally impossible for me to change. Maybe it's just my personality, What if God just knows that I will live in sin for the rest of my life but I genuinely want a relationship with him. I'm 21 years old and I have a burning desire to have fun with other people my age even if it's to get drunk every once and while. Why doesn't God want me to have fun? Why is it so hard to be 100 percent sure that he's their? I have been praying for stronger Faith and a relationship with him for a whole year now, why do I feel like nothing has changed?
 
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I have been going through something similar. Its like the moment I get some clear faith going on I begin to doubt and think I just fooled myself somehow. I fear that God doesn't want me to have fun too, and honestly I think thats the cause of my doubts deep down. If I acknowledge Him and His plan that means I need to get to work on it instead of just fooling around and caring about superficial stuff. I think that your faith may be stronger than you think, because my parents have told me the same thing: If you don't think He is there, why are you so worried about [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing Him off by not believing the right way? You say you know you will live in sin the rest of your life? If you really want a relationship with Him you gotta prove it and stop the sin thats seperating you two. He will let you know when you're going too far though, Him giving me a wake-up-call is whats made me turn back to Him after spending all of high school as a very lukewarm christian. Its possible to change though. You got to want it though. Before my wake-up-call I was all up in arms, hating my family, hating christianity in general, waiting for the day I could move out a certain sinful lifestyle. I experimented with household products(Aerosol, cough syrup, etc) and planned on moving to Colorado to live the life of a gay stoner. God is good and has helped me, but truth be told you got to want to change. Its hard letting go of certain sins because well...they feel good. You can't go sinning all the time then keep assuring God you want to change and that you really want Him. Then you're like those in Isaiah 29:13. "The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught."(NIV) You tell God you want Him, but deep down you want your sin too. Believe me I'm still struggling with this. I want to please God but I want to please my flesh as well. Thats why you've got to deny yourself for God like in Matthew 16:24 "
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me."(NIV) If your going out and getting drunk is becoming a gap between you and God you need to cut it out. Set barriers for yourself, certainly do not trust yourself. I could be way off base here, maybe even projecting, but it doesn't seem like you're having a hard time believing in God, more like you are afraid of the implications of acknowledging Him and giving up certain pleasures. Whatever the case is I'll pray for you dude, experiencing doubts and having those fears sucks regardless of whats causing them.
 
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I think I understand where you're coming from and how you're feeling, and it's a difficult way to feel, and I'm sorry.

First of all I'll just tell you about my experience and thoughts:
The last few months I have been unsure of what I believe and why. I had times when I believed, and times when I just thought 'what if there is nothing? what if this is it?'. I could never tell you that I'm 100% sure I've felt God's presence or heard from him, and I would pray that God would speak to me, help me, show me the truth and I would get nothing.
I asked my Dad if he ever had doubts and he said that he just decided to believe. At first I thought that was wrong, I was thinking 'well, then you don't really believe it, it's not genuine'. I started doing some thinking and studying and eventually I realised that I had had so many doubts that if I truly didn't believe or want to believe, I would have given up by now; and in that sense I realised that somewhere in me I believed it to be true. My Dad was right, you have to decide to trust and believe.
The 'big secret' is: you'll never be 100% sure. Everyone will always have some semblance of doubt, so for me at least it was a decision; I decided to believe, to have faith. Jesus said: "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:29). This gives me courage that it's normal to have doubts, and God is pleased with us if we have faith and trust Him.

Also, we have a relationship with God, and like a normal relationship it develops over time. If you're strangers then you're just getting to know one another, it's bound to be a bit awkward at first, but as you put your trust in that person you develop a friendship and you begin to understand them more. This is the same with God. Once you decide to believe then you can start to build a relationship, you can't expect too much straight away, and as your relationship develops you will hear from him more easily, and that in turn will reaffirm your faith.

Feeling ashamed:
God will not look down on you for having doubts, he knows and loves you, and it's probable that the doubts are something you will overcome. Lots of people struggle to articulate and justify their faith to others, so don't feel bad about that.

Finally, the part about having fun:
God does want you to have fun! If you decide not to get drunk that is your personal decision, and a commendable one, but lots of Christians drink. There are other ways to have fun, and I'm sure you know that! Remember: God loves you!
 
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I think doubts can be some of the most powerful tools to actually grow our faith and bring us closer to God. Doubt creates a need within us to learn and discover; to test our faith and find out if it holds true. At least that's the case for me. If you want your faith to grow, pray for God to give you strong faith but also do some experiments and see how God reveals Himself to you. Different people have different experiences with that, but asking for signs of His presence, power, or love is a biblical thing to do to help build stronger faith. And when you see a sign, test it by acting upon it as though it is true. See what happens.

God doesn't turn away honestly seeking hearts. He isn't ashamed of you. He loves you. He can't stop loving you. The Bible says He will never forsake His children, and you are a child of God.

Tessaurus is right, there's a lot of ways to have fun and how you have fun is your decision, but if you don't want to drink just know that not everyone in their 20s drinks. There are people in their 20s who know how to have fun without getting drunk. Or you can still hang out with people at a party and not drink, as long as you have good friends who will respect your decision to do so. God does like people having fun, in my opinion He created fun. Having fun is not sinful, provided you're not behaving immorally. The Bible doesn't say you can't have fun. It does say that whatever you choose to do, do it keeping in mind two principles - love God and love other people. Immoral behavior is immoral because it does not love God or other people but rather harms others for selfish gain.
 
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I'm very confused. At times I'll be on fire for God then there's times like this where I doubt everything. I know it's not about feelings but I at least want to know he's there. I'm ashamed to call myself a christian because I can't even defend my faith. If someone asked me why I believe in God I can recite what someone else said but truthfully I'm not sure, I just want to be happy.
How has God revealed himself to you? How did he rescue you?

I'm 21 years old and I have a burning desire to have fun with other people my age even if it's to get drunk every once and while. Why doesn't God want me to have fun?
Are you seriously suggesting that you can't have fun without getting drunk?

I have been praying for stronger Faith and a relationship with him for a whole year now, why do I feel like nothing has changed?
Maybe nothing has changed, maybe you have changed for the better in some areas and you're not seeing it. We always seem to be hit with this kind of self-doubt when looking only at the here and now, when we forget some of the better things we prayed for. I don't know that this is the case with you or not, but it is something that many Christians need to look out for.
 
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This is something I saw on my fb and really liked...

Something I've noticed about God. Whenever He does something in a miraculous or extraordinary way He always leaves just enough room for you to doubt it was really Him. Faith is a choice. Miracles and answers to prayer in real life are not accompanied by angels singing in the background. They just happen and leave you the option to believe it was Him or a coincidence.

"...as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith." - Romans 12:3
 
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I think I understand where you're coming from and how you're feeling, and it's a difficult way to feel, and I'm sorry.

First of all I'll just tell you about my experience and thoughts:
The last few months I have been unsure of what I believe and why. I had times when I believed, and times when I just thought 'what if there is nothing? what if this is it?'. I could never tell you that I'm 100% sure I've felt God's presence or heard from him, and I would pray that God would speak to me, help me, show me the truth and I would get nothing.
I asked my Dad if he ever had doubts and he said that he just decided to believe. At first I thought that was wrong, I was thinking 'well, then you don't really believe it, it's not genuine'. I started doing some thinking and studying and eventually I realised that I had had so many doubts that if I truly didn't believe or want to believe, I would have given up by now; and in that sense I realised that somewhere in me I believed it to be true. My Dad was right, you have to decide to trust and believe.
The 'big secret' is: you'll never be 100% sure. Everyone will always have some semblance of doubt, so for me at least it was a decision; I decided to believe, to have faith. Jesus said: "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:29). This gives me courage that it's normal to have doubts, and God is pleased with us if we have faith and trust Him.

Also, we have a relationship with God, and like a normal relationship it develops over time. If you're strangers then you're just getting to know one another, it's bound to be a bit awkward at first, but as you put your trust in that person you develop a friendship and you begin to understand them more. This is the same with God. Once you decide to believe then you can start to build a relationship, you can't expect too much straight away, and as your relationship develops you will hear from him more easily, and that in turn will reaffirm your faith.

Feeling ashamed:
God will not look down on you for having doubts, he knows and loves you, and it's probable that the doubts are something you will overcome. Lots of people struggle to articulate and justify their faith to others, so don't feel bad about that.

Finally, the part about having fun:
God does want you to have fun! If you decide not to get drunk that is your personal decision, and a commendable one, but lots of Christians drink. There are other ways to have fun, and I'm sure you know that! Remember: God loves you!

I'd just second this.
 
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Seek GOD with your whole heart, and get yourself a Spiritual experience, He will reveal Himself to you in Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Have you been filled with the Holy Spirit since you have yet believed?

How do you be filled with the Holy Spirit?
John 7:38-39 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

ASK GOD for His Holy Spirit, get on your knees and ask Him daily, be willing to give up all sin in your life. a small story is my brother in Christ was trying to be filled with the Spirit for a long time.... LONG..... it wasn't until he was forced to sell His car (which he admitted to idolizing it) that the Spirit came in and filled Him and he began to speak in another language while trying to pray regularly (the Holy Spirit and the Gift of tongues)

Luke 11:9-13

9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Seek GOD with everything, and be willing to give up all sin in your life, and believe on Jesus Christ as the scriptures hath said.

Hope this helps, GOD bless you in Christ Jesus our Lord
 
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First let's tackle the existence of God. I sympathize with doubts here, I used to be an atheist for many years of my life. I've always been the rational/scientific type so there were certain intellectual barriers I had built up. First thing to know is that there is nothing in all of science or rational thought that in any way invalidates the proposition that God exists. Much of what we know about nature actually lends much credence to the proposition. Secondly, beyond all of these rational reasons, my main reason for believing in God is his providence. I've been very close to death multiple times in my life, and it was narrowly avoided each time, sometimes in astonishing ways. I was involved in serious criminality for a few years as well and avoided legal trouble, again sometimes in seemingly miraculous ways. I can't help but feel in my gut that God has his hand of providence on my life. Trust your gut. That's one lesson I've learned very clearly in life. I think if you look deep down within your soul you will come to know that you do in fact know that he is very real.

Second, you asked why God doesn't want you to have fun. My friend I've been through all of that "fun". I partied and drank frequently in casinos, house parties, clubs, bars, hotels, concerts, universities, you name it. I was extremely promiscuous, I did every manner of drug, sold drugs, handled lots of money, etc. I've done everything under the Sun. I've basically lived the lifestyle you see depicted in Hip-Hop videos. Guess what I learned? It is all a facade. There is no lasting happiness or joy in that life at all. It burns you out and leaves you feeling like the walking dead. Your heart gets broken, your health declines, you become a slave to your passions, I could go on and on. You end up broken and depressed after a while. Sure, its fun at first, but trust me, as one who is experienced in that life, it is not good for you and will leave you in a place of devastation after some time.

You know what brings real, lasting joy and happiness? Faith, church, family, love, marriage, children, helping those less fortunate, prayer, and communion with God. The spiritual life brings far greater joy than anything this world could offer. I essentially had to go down the opposite road to learn that. I am urging you to take my word for it, I'd hate for you to have to endure that pain that I did having come to the end of myself following that broad road to destruction. Trust in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart, those holy and pure desires that will lead to lasting satisfaction.
 
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This is the response I give to the Jewish people on why Jesus is the Messiah(it might help increase your faith in God):

Yeshua(Jesus Christ) is the Messiah.



In the Song of Moses, God prophesied the things Israel would do against Him in the future and said what He would against them as punishment for their sins. In one verse He says, "They have made me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are NO PEOPLE; I will provoke them to anger with a FOOLISH NATION."(Deuteronomy 32:21)



The phrase "NO PEOPLE" was a hint of what was to come. God told Hosea, "Call his name LOAMMI, for you are NOT MY PEOPLE, and I am not your God.”(Hosea 1:9). Here, God was talking to the House of Ephraim/the Northern Kingdom of Israel. He said they were not His people because they had mixed with gentiles and began to worship false gods. In Hosea 7:8, He says, "Ephraim mixes himself with the peoples; Ephraim is a cake not turned."(Hosea 7:8). By mixing with the pagan nations, Ephraim became the "NO PEOPLE" and "FOOLISH GENTILES/NATION" that God spoke of. The people of Israel mixed themselves with pagans and people of other races to the point that they lost their identity. They looked like pagans, acted like pagans, spoke pagan languages, and worshiped pagan gods to the point that it was unrecognizable that they were even Jews after a few generations.



In the New Testament, a Rabbi by the name of Sha'ul, (who the Christians call Paul) wrote a letter to gentiles, saying, "Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this MYSTERY, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES has come in."(Romans 11:25). In saying, "FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES", he is revealing what the mystery is.



When Jacob blessed Ephraim and Manasseh before he died, he crossed his hands to give Ephraim the greater blessing. When Joseph tried to correct him by switching his hands back (since Manasseh was the oldest), he said, "I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great. Nevertheless, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his offspring shall become a MULTITUDE OF NATIONS.”(Genesis 48:19) In Hebrew, the phrase "MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" is actually "melo hagoyim", which means "FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES".



Yeshua(Jesus) said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”(Matthew 15:24), that's why the Judaens didn't believe in Him. They were the House of Judah from the Southern Kingdom who returned from Babylon during the reign of King Cyrus, so they were not His sheep. Yeshua said that His sheep know His voice, and they follow Him.



It was the purpose of God to harden the hearts of the Jewish people, so they would not believe until all of the Northern Kingdom returned to Him. As I said before, Ephraim mixed in with other races and lost their identity, so even though it looks like most of the converts to Christianity have been goyim, they are not. They are the descendants of the House of Ephraim who were scattered throughout the world. By their belief, they fulfilled the prophecies that God gave to Hosea when He said, "I will have mercy on No Mercy, and I will say to Not My People, ‘You are my people’; and he shall say, ‘You are my God.'” So Ephraim(No People) came back to the Lord as "foolish goyim/ a foolish nation", and were accepted by God for believing in the Messiah, who is Yeshua.



The House of Judah(the Jewish people) also fulfilled prophecy by their unbelief. The prophet Isaiah said, "He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem."(Isaiah 53:3). The prophecy makes it clear that the Messiah would be and had to be rejected by Israel to fulfill His purpose. If they weren't going to reject Him, then who would?



"Surely HE TOOK UP OUR PAIN AND BORE OUR SUFFERING, yet WE CONSIDERED HIM PUNISHED BY GOD, STRICKEN BY HIM, AND AFFLICTED. But HE WAS PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, HE WAS CRUSHED FOR OUR INIQUITIES; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed."(Isaiah 53:4-5)



God gave many hints to the identity of the Messiah, and looking closely at Scripture it becomes clear that He intended to make Himself the Messiah. Proof of this is by what He said to the prophet Zechariah, where you will notice the word "pierced" showing up a second time. He said, "When they look on ME, on HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, they shall mourn for HIM, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over HIM, as one weeps over a firstborn."(Zechariah 12:10)



He says, again, that the Messiah would be pierced, and not only that, but that His own people(Israel) would pierce Him. But right before God prophesies this, He says that the Messiah is Him. Now, we have a problem because the Messiah is supposed to be a man from the lineage of King David,and God can't be a man, right?



This is what was written on the cross when Yeshua was crucified: "And Pilate also wrote a title, and put it on the cross, and it was written, 'Jesus the Nazarene, king of the Jews;'"(John 19:19), which when translated is "Yeshua HaNazarei VeMelekh HaYahudim" which forms the acronym of God's Divine Name... YHVH.



Yeshua is considered God because He was not born of a human seed. The Spirit of God went into the womb of a virgin woman and inhabited her egg, so she gave birth. Since God is Spirit, and that Spirit took on human form, then that child is God in human form. She and her husband were both from the tribe of David, but the child is technically God's because it was born of His own Spirit. If you look closely at the names of everyone from Adam to Abraham, you will see once again how God revealed His plans from the beginning. When you translate the names it goes:



Adam- mankind

Seth- appointed

Enosh- feeble, frail, mortality

Cainan- a fixed dwelling place

Mahalaleel- God who is praised

Jared- come down, descends

Enoch- to instruct, train up

Methuselah- a man sent forth

Lamech- to be beaten, smitten, and tortured

Noah- rest, comfort



Mankind is appointed to feeble and frail mortality --- a fixed dwelling place. God, who is praised, comes down to instruct as a man sent forth to be beaten, smitten, and tortured. By this He brings us rest and comfort.



God let us know that He would come to the earth to be beaten and tortured for our sake. " ...THE PUNISHMENT THAT BOUGHT US PEACE WAS ON HIM,"(Isaiah 53:3)



And He let us know how He would redeem us by His death: “And I WILL POUR OUT ON THE HOUSE OF DAVID AND THE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM A SPIRIT OF GRACE AND PLEAS FOR MERCY, so that, when they look on ME, on HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.”(Zechariah 12:10)



“Yet IT PLEASED THE LORD TO CRUSH HIM; he has put him to grief: WHEN YOU MAKE HIS SOUL A SIN OFFERING, HE SHALL SEE HIS OFFSPRING, HE SHALL PROLONG HIS DAYS, and the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.”(Isaiah 53:10)



“And in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' it shall be said to them, 'Children of the living God.'”(Hosea 1:10)



The gospel(good news) of Christ is summed up in these few verses. In Zechariah 12:10, God said that by His death, He would pour out grace and mercy on all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. In Isaiah 53:10, He said He would be pleased to put the Messiah to death, and by doing so the Messiah would be a sin offering for Israel. God said that after that was done, He would see His children and prolong their days. By seeing His children, He means that those who believe Yeshua was crucified as their sin offering would be adopted as the sons of God, just like He was. And the prophecy that was given to the House of Ephraim in Hosea would be fulfilled. In the very place it was said of the House of Ephraim, “You are not my people,” they were called “Children of the Living God” because they had faith. Their days are prolonged because they have eternal life, but those who do not believe do not have eternal life, because their sins are not forgiven.



Yeshua said, “I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am He you will die in your sins.”(John 8:24)



When He became a sin offering to God, as prophesied in Isaiah 53:10, the sins of the whole world were placed on Him. That means the sins of everyone who had been born, the sins of those who were living at that time, and the sins of those who were not yet born. But His sacrifice is only sufficient if we accept it, and we cannot accept it if we don't believe.



“By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”(Ephesians 2:8-9) Therefore, we all have access to Heaven if we believe.


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I read this quote from a Jewish rabbi awhile back, "If you believe in the Tzaddik(Righteous One) without any understanding, you may lose your faith, because from faith alone one can fall. But if you also have some understanding, you cannot lose your faith."


People doubt and lose faith because they don't have understanding of Him or His Word. They may have grown up in church or found God later in life, and developed a deep love for Him; but they end up falling away when there is something they can't understand that conflicts with their faith. You have to understand the things I've written above. Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God, God planned all these divine things from before the foundation of the earth, and He loves you and wants the best for you.

God doesn't look down on you for your lack of faith. Even the apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!" in Luke 17:5. They walked with Jesus(God in the flesh) for 3 1/2 years but they still doubted. Thomas saw his miracles, but didn't believe it when Christ was raised from the dead. Peter said he would never deny Jesus and then did it three times. All the apostles said they wouldn't leave, but they all did. Jesus knew they would do these things, and He told them they would. He was not angry with them, and He didn't look down on them.

God said, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." (2 Corinthians 12:9 ESV). You are trying to get closer to God and you are praying with an earnest heart, trusting in the Lord. That means more to God than anything. Don't be ashamed to call yourself a Christian, none of us are perfect. We are all struggling with something, and God, by His grace, is helping us along.

As far as your question about does God want you to have fun. He definitely does, but getting drunk isn't the way to go. Drinking is fine, but getting drunk isn't. Trust me, nothing good will come from that. People ruin their lives by abusing alcohol. They end up getting drunk, getting someone pregnant, beating their wife and kids, getting into fights, killing themselves and others in car accidents, etc. It's not fun. It will ruin your life.

You can hang out with your friends, though. Even Jesus went to parties. Just don't give yourself over to sinful behavior. And yes, it's possible to have fun without sinning; think of how much fun you had as a kid without drugs,sex, and cursing. Don't be discouraged, brother. Just keep praying.
 
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You may not have scrolled this far but I was really glad to see your reply about 1/2 way up that you've been encouraged by others sharing their struggles. My immediate reaction to your original post was "Yep, that was me too!" as in my nature I'm very 'all or nothing' so my experience of faith/church has been a challenging one as I used to feel I had to be 100% on fire or nothing. YES the Bible says not to be lukewarm but there are so many accounts of times where people had doubts, wrestled with their faith, were tempted... and God's reaction wasn't "Nope, you have to be 100% at all times or we're done".

A passage that really helped me was Philippians 3 12-14...
"Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal,but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus."

Just by being honest about your faith you are 'pressing on' and us Christians so often get bogged down in the minutae of doing life the 'Christian' way that we miss that bigger picture. I read an article once about Mother Theresa's struggle with faith which cheered me up so much cos I thought "Wow, if she had doubts maybe we're all allowed to!" I was at a very Pentecostal churh at the time where doubt was met with theologial answers and an overriding sense of "If you don't 'feel' God you're doing something wrong, not him". While there was some wisdom in some of the teaching I had in that way it meant I could never be honest with anyone and the more I put on an "on fire 24/7" appearance the more I struggled. I totally echo the ALoveDivine's comments when he said that drink/parties aren't all they're cracked up to be and especially in our online society it can feel like everyone's having a better time than you. BUT don't equate faith with joylessness, I've had far better times with friends, parties, enjoying life when my faith is strong as I feel like God's opinion of me is more important than others... You are definitely NOT alone in doubts, temptations, frustrations and I pray that you will find the ultimate encouragement in His love and assuarnce cos he loves you whatever you think of Him!
 
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But isn't music like this from Satan?

Not at all. Satan is not the creator of music. He can transform himself into an angel of light, not music.

Now, if you ask if Satan can corrupt music.....sure. However, if you know your Bible, you will recognize the significance of the name I gave to that song. It has biblical meaning.
 
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I have been a Eucharistic minister and a minister of the Word for a few years now. I have always felt attracted to the church, like an iron filing to a magnet, but lately I have been questioning whether this is God calling me or is it a subconscious effort to force myself to be a strong believer in the faith. I am also struggling. I've studied the beliefs and history of all of the world's major religions and, being a scientist, have also intensively studied scientific concepts which people usually use to "disprove" the existence of God. I am not a creationist and I do not accept a literal interpretation of the Bible, however that is not to say that God does not exist. We cannot say truly say that evolution is not occurring (which it is) or that the Big Bang Theory is false (which it isn't), but who can say that these are not the mechanisms in which God acts? Science cannot disprove God, but religion should not ignore the teachings of science. I've always contended that religion and science are two languages trying to communicate the same truth. Now I'm not interested in discussing creationism vs. Darwinism or arguing any of the points I have discussed above. These are my personal conclusions which I have come to after extensively studying Christianity, biology, and physics. My issue is tied to the following:


After spending a few years studying the history of the Abrahamic religions as well as the Eastern faiths, one thing always strikes me- that the faiths evolve over time and that certain beliefs are tied to historical events (like persecutions, poverty, etc.). This happens in every faith and this evolution is starker when one faith organically grows out of another (Buddhism from Hinduism, Islam from Christianity, Christianity from Judaism, etc.). One topic which I have become interested in is the concept of hell and how it has changed over the centuries and adopted certain aspects from outside of the Bible (like the Greco-Roman ideas of Hades and even the Norse belief in Hel). Before hell became a realm of fire and brimstone and heaven became a wonderful place of eternal joy, the beliefs of the afterlife were rather vague. The Jews believe that all those who die go to a place known as Sheol and that their life on earth is the only one that they’ll truly live. This belief eventually merged with the ancient Greek belief of Hades and Tartarus (which were both places of punishment) and became what Medieval Christians knew as hell. The notion that hell is a place of torment and heaven is a place of bliss creates obvious motivators for good Christian behaviour. This is just one of many Christian beliefs which have been manipulated by human hands. While I understand that some of this is due to people using their knowledge of scripture and extending it situations not discussed in their sacred texts or using it to try and explain certain philosophies which may be ambiguous, a lot of it was also used to make the faith more palatable to those they are trying to convert (ex. why Christmas is on December 25th) or as mentioned above, to ensure Christians follow the faith. Additionally, the idea of the devil himself has evolved from being merely anything which becomes an adversary to God to an actual living being who rules over hell. Lucifer’s physical appearance has also changed over time, although the Bible never actually describes his appearance.


So this got me thinking more critically about our faith and its evolution over time. How we’ve adopted concepts and teachings from faiths we don’t prescribe to and, in some cases, know that the belief had been entirely invented by humans. We reject the idea that gods such as Zeus and the other gods of Olympus exist, yet we accept certain aspects of it into our own faith? Building on that thought, why have some faiths died in the past? Is it because we know they are fabrications because of their ever evolving nature (ex. Greco-Roman plays add myths and legends to gods and heroes, which sometimes became accepted as canon)? Or is it simply because history deemed those religions to become “losers”? If that’s the case, is it simply because of the way human history progressed that the current world religions exist today? Could we have just as easily become worshippers of Thor, Ra, or Ashur? Speaking of possible alternate realities, the teachings of M-theory and the multiverse only complicate matters. I can accept that God created the universe and watches over it, but that pill becomes harder to swallow once you consider the possibility that there may not only be other worlds which are inhabited but an infinite number of universes which have alternate versions of yourself. Does God look over all of them? Or are there different versions of God in each of them? How can this be? I know He is all powerful and could easily do it, but becomes harder for me to believe it. I don’t mean to put down any faiths, I simply want to know. To learn. I idea of believing in God through faith alone does not feel sufficient for me I am asking for help. Please help this sheep find his way home.
 
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I've studied the beliefs and history of all of the world's major religions and, being a scientist, have also intensively studied scientific concepts which people usually use to "disprove" the existence of God. I am not a creationist and I do not accept a literal interpretation of the Bible, however that is not to say that God does not exist.

If one chooses the long ages concept, then that one may as well cast out Genesis entirely as being false. Science does not offer any other possibilities.

We cannot say truly say that evolution is not occurring (which it is)

It's funny how not one transitional form has yet been discovered to make evolution a scientific fact.

or that the Big Bang Theory is false (which it isn't),

Yeah.....God spoke, and BANG, everything was there. Science has discovered that there is such a thing as infinite velocity.

but who can say that these are not the mechanisms in which God acts?

Like I said before, reason and logic alone, before going to science, show that Genesis cannot be true in the context of evolution. Without Genesis, the rest of the Bible unravels and become meaningless.

Science cannot disprove God,

Science can't do lots of things, but using it to prove a negative is, at its root, irrational.

but religion should not ignore the teachings of science.

Religion is whatever mankind makes it. Anyone can have religion, and anyone can be religious. What distinguishes people of faith from the purely religious is the Spirit within.

I've always contended that religion and science are two languages trying to communicate the same truth. Now I'm not interested in discussing creationism vs. Darwinism or arguing any of the points I have discussed above. These are my personal conclusions which I have come to after extensively studying Christianity, biology, and physics.

Placing the cart before the horse is nothing more than an exercise in futility....which is to say that any assumption that the Bible is subject to modern and historic science, rather than the other way around, well, that's indeed trying to get the horse to push the cart.

After spending a few years studying the history of the Abrahamic religions as well as the Eastern faiths, one thing always strikes me- that the faiths evolve over time and that certain beliefs are tied to historical events (like persecutions, poverty, etc.). This happens in every faith and this evolution is starker when one faith organically grows out of another (Buddhism from Hinduism, Islam from Christianity, Christianity from Judaism, etc.).

Apples to oranges....

One topic which I have become interested in is the concept of hell and how it has changed over the centuries and adopted certain aspects from outside of the Bible (like the Greco-Roman ideas of Hades and even the Norse belief in Hel). Before hell became a realm of fire and brimstone and heaven became a wonderful place of eternal joy, the beliefs of the afterlife were rather vague.

Concepts do indeed change with time, culture, social morays, and traditions. Concepts about Hell are no different. However, the reality of that place has never changed....at least, not in the Mind of God.

The Jews believe that all those who die go to a place known as Sheol and that their life on earth is the only one that they’ll truly live.

This is false, or at least, the impression it gives is false. That belief you stated above was/is a belief of one or more of the sects among the Jews, not the entirety of Judaism.

So this got me thinking more critically about our faith and its evolution over time.

I can indeed understand the many, many dilemmas people fall into head-long when they live captive to the externals of religion, science, and the human potential of "transcendent" living. The biggest problem most people have with the God portrayed within the pages of the Bible is His Sovereignty. Most people want a god whom they control....a god who reacts in predictable ways, and who answers prayers in the way they want them answered in step with their personal sense of right and wrong, good and evil, provision, equipping, and just plain god-in-a-box.

How we’ve adopted concepts and teachings from faiths we don’t prescribe to and, in some cases, know that the belief had been entirely invented by humans. We reject the idea that gods such as Zeus and the other gods of Olympus exist, yet we accept certain aspects of it into our own faith?

You use lots of "we" and "our". I presume you are speaking of yourself and others with whom you are acquainted.

Building on that thought, why have some faiths died in the past? Is it because we know they are fabrications because of their ever evolving nature (ex. Greco-Roman plays add myths and legends to gods and heroes, which sometimes became accepted as canon)? Or is it simply because history deemed those religions to become “losers”?

When false religions die out, they do so because there is no real deity behind them to keep them alive and moving forward.

Could we have just as easily become worshippers of Thor, Ra, or Ashur?

The character of all false religions are pretty much the same throughout.

Speaking of possible alternate realities, the teachings of M-theory and the multiverse only complicate matters. I can accept that God created the universe and watches over it, but that pill becomes harder to swallow once you consider the possibility that there may not only be other worlds which are inhabited but an infinite number of universes which have alternate versions of yourself.

Science fantasy can never create a true god capable of saving us from our sin any more than mere religion.

Does God look over all of them?

God looks upon hearts, not science fantasies concocted in the vain imaginings of humans.

Or are there different versions of God in each of them?

There is only one true God, not many.

How can this be? I know He is all powerful and could easily do it, but becomes harder for me to believe it.

This is teetering on the precipice of sophism.

I don’t mean to put down any faiths, I simply want to know. To learn. I idea of believing in God through faith alone does not feel sufficient for me I am asking for help. Please help this sheep find his way home.

Whoever said one must believe in God by faith alone? Have you not read Romans 1? He has revealed Himself to all, in various ways, therefore not one individual having any excuse. My faith has behind it experiential dynamics that go beyond the Bible itself. That book is only the beginning.....the road sign that points to the One of Whom it speaks so that one may enter into relationship. Once relationship is established, one never has to rely on faith alone. Walking experientially means that the blinders are off, and one walks by way of that lamp at his feet, that voice in his spirit, and remains in the shadow of those Wings.

All that other.....stuff, such a mythology and eastern mysticism....man, that clamorous cacophony fades into the distant background of insignificance when one finds himself led by the Spirit of the One, true God.

Jr
 
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