i'm going to sum up this trainwreck of a thread. someone came in stating how they were excited to get a tattoo, and then some legalists came in and said it was sin.
this sums up how i feel after watching this foolishness:
If unclean animals wouldn't have counted as food, why would places like Lev. 11:4ff command not to eat it? Or would they have been eating something that wasn't food? What exactly would they have called bacon if not food?
Jesus says it isn't what goes into man that makes him dirty, but what comes from the heart. That covers not only food touched with dirty hands, but any thing you consume or touch (like other example of Jesus overturning purity I mentioned). If eating pork made you unclean, the entire logic of what Jesus is saying collapses. Jesus whole teaching was intended to be subversive to the idea of external purity. Here's a good summary:
A Portrait of Jesus | Jesus as Social Prophet
A pargraph using logic and showing that that particular commandment lacks any.
There was no "he" who designed the entirety of the Torah. The Mosaic law was developed over time by multiple people.
Am I misunderstanding the logic of it, because you didn't actually question me on that? Shouldn't law and morality be consistent? Murder is supposed to be punished by death. Killing a slave is murder. Therefore, killing a slave should be met with death. Don't blame me for the Pentateuch's author(s) being inconsistent. Also, since you say the Mosaic law is a perfect system, it's good to know you have no problem with slavery.
How far up on the wrist will it be? Will you be able to cover it up with a cuffed shirt if you need to?
If this is your first tattoo, does that mean you're going to get more?
I'm not ruling out the possibility, but I have no plans for more.
His statement applies to the entire purity system. Otherwise, what goes into a man does defile him.The Messiah's statement was in reply to the Pharisees hand washing argument, not about what you can and cannot eat.
I believe that the egalitarian morality of Jesus and the Enlightenment is greater than the patriarchal, racist, sexist, blood-thirsty morality of the early Hebrews. Just because they thought God commanded them to do such things doesnt mean he did.So, you are subscribing to the belief that your intellect in greater than Gods. This is the epitome of humanism, not christianity.
So the author of Deuteronomy claims that the entirety of the Pentateuch was given by God. How very convenient for him. Do you find the claims of the Koran to have been given by God to be as equally convincing? If the author claims to have been speaking for God, well, then he must be!Zing:
Deuteronomy 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Im afraid thats you, friend.Your assumptions are blinding you.
A revealing statement if I ever heard one.No, I don't have a problem with biblical slavery.
No doubt. Biblical slavery is just as bad.Modern society has just replaced it with slavery to the state and slavery to the banks.
His statement applies to the entire purity system. Otherwise, what goes into a man does defile him.
I believe that the egalitarian morality of Jesus and the Enlightenment is greater than the patriarchal, racist, sexist, blood-thirsty morality of the early Hebrews. Just because they thought God commanded them to do such things doesn’t mean he did.
So the author of Deuteronomy claims that the entirety of the Pentateuch was given by God. How very convenient for him. Do you find the claims of the Koran to have been given by God to be as equally convincing? If the author claims to have been speaking for God, well, then he must be!
As for the Pentateuch being the product of numerous hands over a period of time, scholarship agrees:Roland J. Faley writes: "In its present form, Lv is post-exilic, the work of the Priestly school during the period of cultic reorganization after the Exile's termination (538). The Holiness Code, which had taken on some additions during the Exile, was once more re-edited and became the nucleus of Lv. To it were added the sacrificial code (chs. 1-7), the ordination rite (chs. 8-10), and the legal purity code (chs. 11-16). Chapter 27, dealing with the commutation of vows, comes from a still later edition. The purpose of Lv was to supply directives on all aspects of religious observance for the post-exilic community, especially as they related to the Temple liturgy." (The Jerome Biblical Commentary, p. 67) (source)I’m afraid that’s you, friend.
Jay G. Williams writes: "It is this emphasis [on one central shrine], in particular, which has led scholars to identify Deuteronomy as the scroll of the law found in the Temple during the reign of King Josiah in the seventh century. According to II Kings 22-23 this scroll led Josiah to initiate a reform of the religion of Judah which, in particular, involved the destruction of all places of sacrifice except the Temple in Jerusalem. Since only Deuteronomy, of all the books of the Torah, calls for such a reform and since it is inconceivable that such an important book of the law would have been lost after Josiah's time, it is likely that the identification of Deuteronomy as the discovered scroll is correct. The fact that Deuteronomy often reflects both the language and the thought of the eighth century prophets helps to confirm this identification." (Understanding the Old Testament, p. 137) (source)
A revealing statement if I ever heard one.
No doubt. “Biblical slavery” is just as bad.
...shortly after Christmas. I've decided on this, on my inner right wrist, facing so that it will be right-side-up from the perspective of someone who is shaking my hand.
You probably recognize the ichthys. The symbol in the middle is the chi rho, one of the oldest Christian symbols, "χρ" being the first two letters of the Greek for "Christos". It has also been used to stand for "Christus Rex", or Christ is King. Although that usage is obviously limited by the fact that the letters are Greek and the language is Latin, it still appeals to me (see my signature).
Since I take it you dont accept the Book of Mormon, the Koran, etc. as being from God, does that mean you are playing God too? If you say you dont accept those books as being from God because it contradicts what you think God is actually like, then I would say the same thing. I see God revealed in Jesus and the fact is, the Israelites attribute to God a number of things that go directly against Jesuss teachings. The concept of purity is one of them and that closely relates with the issue of tattoos. The idea that getting a tattoo is somehow sinful is no different than saying, eating x can make you unclean. God desires mercy and love, not sacrifice and ritual.Once again, your playing God, deciding that a part of the bible is too harsh for your liking.
My argument is consistent. Neither I, nor any rational person, would think that God actually spoke to someone just because that person claimed so. I dont believe, say, the four Gospels just because the authors claim that everything in them is true. Whoever wrote the Gospel of Thomas would say the exact same thing. I believe the Gospels are generally accurate in what Jesus said and did because of evidence (given by scholars like N.T. Wright and Richard Bauckham), not because a fideist position regarding the authors truthfulness.Your argument is moot, I can turn that around and say that none of the bible is confirmed cause all the writers could've just been demonic individuals like the liar Moses(by your description anyway), who were deceived into thinking God told them something. All I can be is astounded that you believe your argument to be consistent.
Not even. This, my friends, is what we call a misuse of Scripture.
Yep. I thought of red, but black is cheaper, and colors don't age well.
I've been taking several insulin shots a day for 18 years now. I'm used to needles. Obviously it's a bit different, but I think I can deal with it.
I've been getting recommendations from friends on the best shops. There are a few that have great, long-standing reputations for cleanliness and quality around here.
Just as I have said that 32 verses before this one, when people use it, it is also a misuse of scripture... yet you disagree with me there. :/
Congratulations. Le 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am God.
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