I'm afraid...

Caty · Jun 30, 2009

i want to be free of it but i just can't seem to understand how this could be for me---i was sitting in a church one day here recently and hte pastor kept saying that we were all here for a reason---that is was not by accident/or any other circumstance that we "wondered" in there, that it was God bringing us there---but i have went down hill a lot from that service ( i haven't went back/because i got SO anxious during the service) so i don't know if that still stands with me anymore.

Desperaux · Jun 30, 2009

Caty said:
i want to be free of it but i just can't seem to understand how this could be for me---i was sitting in a church one day here recently and hte pastor kept saying that we were all here for a reason---that is was not by accident/or any other circumstance that we "wondered" in there, that it was God bringing us there---but i have went down hill a lot from that service ( i haven't went back/because i got SO anxious during the service) so i don't know if that still stands with me anymore.

Our feelings are tyrants. Don't pay them any attention when it comes to the truth of the Word.

If you ignore your feelings of alarm and fear and anxiety, and do what God wants you to do--like perhaps get back to that church and be taught in the Word--you'll find that you will gain some strength to defeat this weakness in you. God wants to deliver you of the tyrant called OCD.

Caty · Jun 30, 2009

i was trying to be "brave" and read my Bible tonight but when I opened it and started reading, i read something about speaking blasphemous language --then of course I started thinking about the whole blasphemy of the Holy Spirit issue & i got pretty bummed again. can anyone tell me how that just speaking is no that sin (even if you were mad or something??)

Desperaux · Jun 30, 2009

Caty said:
i was trying to be "brave" and read my Bible tonight but when I opened it and started reading, i read something about speaking blasphemous language --then of course I started thinking about the whole blasphemy of the Holy Spirit issue & i got pretty bummed again. can anyone tell me how that just speaking is no that sin (even if you were mad or something??)

Choose some other passages to read! LOL!

Unregenerate people who are so far from God that they curse Him and His people are guilty of such a sin. Just choose to believe what believers here have told you--if you have to wonder if you've committed it, you haven't. Such people couldn't care less if they did!

Understand this and move on, not without asking the Lord Jesus to help you.

Caty · Jun 30, 2009

but then i worry about if i really care (about God) and stuff like that----i worry way too much!!

I just turned over to a book that said something like that---then it scared me that maybe God was trying to give me a hint or soemthing.I dunno.

Desperaux · Jul 1, 2009

Caty said:
but then i worry about if i really care (about God) and stuff like that----i worry way too much!!

I just turned over to a book that said something like that---then it scared me that maybe God was trying to give me a hint or soemthing.I dunno.

He is lovingly telling you not to worry about anything...and He is using His people to tell you. There must come a point where you will have to lay down this defense and just believe Him, that He loves you with a love that we cannot even fathom and that everything He says is true, that there is no lie in Him.

Be comforted by reading some Psalms.

Caty · Jul 1, 2009

but if i was already on this board and I committed that sin while i was on here, you still dont think that God would allow me to be here??? If I could get it through my head that God wants me to hear this stuff then I would be fine, for a while. But see I feel like that maybe you all are trying to get me to have faith, just in case I could be forgiven

Supplanter · Jul 1, 2009

Caty said:
but if i was already on this board and I committed that sin while i was on here, you still dont think that God would allow me to be here??? If I could get it through my head that God wants me to hear this stuff then I would be fine, for a while. But see I feel like that maybe you all are trying to get me to have faith, just in case I could be forgiven

Don't exalt your feelings so much. We can't base the truth on our emotions because the emotions change, but the truth does not. You are going to have to make a choice of will. You are going to have to force yourself to sit down and meditate on scriptures. You are going to have to force yourself to deny your emotions. You are going to have to force yourself to stop worrying. You are going to have to force yourself to turn to the Lord even when you feel unforgivable. Caty, we are taught all throughout our lives that our emotions are so important and that we should acknowledge them and let them affect every aspect of our lives, but it is not true.

Your emotions matter, but when your emotions do not line up with the truth, then you need to dismiss them and not contemplate them or meditate upon them. In stead you need to get scriptures and meditate upon the truth. Your emotions are deceiving you and they are giving you a false image of God. The Bible will give you the true image of God, and it is an objective standard, not one based on how you feel. Start in the gospels.

JimB · Jul 1, 2009

There are certain teachings that produce fear. When a teaching does, it is probably not a teaching that is of God.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. (1 John 4.18)

For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (2 Tim. 1.7)

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. (James 3.17)

No one, this side of Calvary is exempt from God’s forgiveness. That is what Christ’s Atonement was all about. The infamous “unpardonable sin” of Matt. 12 was a warning given by Christ to Pharisees (on the other side of the Cross).

Here’s the warning in context:

22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
25 But Jesus knew their [the Pharisees] thoughts, and said to them [the Pharisees], “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me [the Pharisees] is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me [the Pharisees] scatters abroad.
31 “Therefore I say to you [the Pharisees], every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.” (Matthew 12)

If there is such a thing this side of the Cross as the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, it is incumbent on us that we definitively define it. But, as I am sure this thread will reveal, there are many misinterpretations of what was meant in Matthew 12.

~Jim

Faith means trusting in advance what will only make sense in reverse.

Jayangel81 · Jul 1, 2009

Jimbeaux said:
There are certain teachings that produce fear. When a teaching does, it is probably not a teaching that is of God.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. (1 John 4.18)

For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (2 Tim. 1.7)

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. (James 3.17)

No one, this side of Calvary is exempt from Gods forgiveness. That is what Christs Atonement was all about. The infamous unpardonable sin of Matt. 12 was a warning given by Christ to Pharisees (on the other side of the Cross).

Heres the warning in context:
22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, Could this be the Son of David?
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.
25 But Jesus knew their [the Pharisees] thoughts, and said to them [the Pharisees], Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong mans house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me [the Pharisees] is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me [the Pharisees] scatters abroad.
31 Therefore I say to you [the Pharisees], every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. (Matthew 12)

If there is such a thing this side of the Cross as the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, it is incumbent on us that we definitively define it. But, as I am sure this thread will reveal, there are many misinterpretations of what was meant in Matthew 12.

~Jim

Faith means trusting in advance what will only make sense in reverse.

Desperaux · Jul 1, 2009

Supplanter said:
Don't exalt your feelings so much. We can't base the truth on our emotions because the emotions change, but the truth does not. You are going to have to make a choice of will. You are going to have to force yourself to sit down and meditate on scriptures. You are going to have to force yourself to deny your emotions. You are going to have to force yourself to stop worrying. You are going to have to force yourself to turn to the Lord even when you feel unforgivable. Caty, we are taught all throughout our lives that our emotions are so important and that we should acknowledge them and let them affect every aspect of our lives, but it is not true.

Your emotions matter, but when your emotions do not line up with the truth, then you need to dismiss them and not contemplate them or meditate upon them. In stead you need to get scriptures and meditate upon the truth. Your emotions are deceiving you and they are giving you a false image of God. The Bible will give you the true image of God, and it is an objective standard, not one based on how you feel. Start in the gospels.

That is true. Our emotions are not trustworthy. God's word is.

Caty · Jul 1, 2009

but how do i know that i haven't committed this sin, i know there are a bunch of diff, interpretations but is there somethign everyone can agree on???

Desperaux · Jul 1, 2009

Caty said:
but how do i know that i haven't committed this sin, i know there are a bunch of diff, interpretations but is there somethign everyone can agree on???

Hon, you have already been told by knowledgeable believers the truth of this matter...if you have any qualms about whether or not you've committed this sin, YOU HAVE NOT. those who do commit this sin do not even think about it because they are past caring.

We all agree on that...so come on, dear--move past this and on with your life. The devil wants you stuck in this mire and it's up to you to say "NO!" to him about this silly argument he has placed in your mind.

Satan does that, you know--he plants ideas and thoughts in our minds and it is our choice to run with them or cast them out. A Christian who realizes this truth will stop and cast it out, which you must learn to do. Anything that goes against God and/or His word is a lie and needs to be rejected.

Joy · Jul 1, 2009

i have been reading this thread and agree with the posts here. However I would encourage you to talk face to face with Christians who can pray with you and support you regularly.

Caty · Jul 1, 2009

we as a part of my anxeity---i'm not up to that right now. & whenever i do it's hard to talk about my problem or even get a word out for crying.

kathie · Jul 1, 2009

Caty,

I understand your fears and where you are coming from. I believe that you need to find people who are used in prophetic ministry who can give you a word from the LOrd without telling them anything about the problem you have. I believe that when you hear what God is saying to you directly you will find much peace and strength which will enable you to seek the LOrd. I truly believe this is the only way you are going to find any kind of reassurance for your doubts and fears. PM me and I will tell you where to find these prophetic people

Caty · Jul 1, 2009

guys, i know you all keep telling me that i have to let go of fear and that God is forgiving and stuff...but i just cant get past the "but" part---the scripture says ALL sin will be forgiven BUT blasphemey of the Holy Spirit will not be. I cant get that out of my head, thats kinda why i think ill never know the truth ( until i die). But then I think about what the Bible says about Him forgiveing all sin if you come to Him and that Jesus died for all sin---it doesn't say that he died for all except blasphemey, it says for the sins of the world (which has to include our every single sin) so could Jesus have died for something God will not forgive, Im so confused right now...........

Floatingaxe · Jul 1, 2009

Caty said:
guys, i know you all keep telling me that i have to let go of fear and that God is forgiving and stuff...but i just cant get past the "but" part---the scripture says ALL sin will be forgiven BUT blasphemey of the Holy Spirit will not be. I cant get that out of my head, thats kinda why i think ill never know the truth ( until i die). But then I think about what the Bible says about Him forgiveing all sin if you come to Him and that Jesus died for all sin---it doesn't say that he died for all except blasphemey, it says for the sins of the world (which has to include our every single sin) so could Jesus have died for something God will not forgive, Im so confused right now...........

Honey, Jesus died for all sin. He doesn't forgive sin that is committed by those who are unrepentant.

Someone who is that hardened that he or she would blaspheme the Holy Spirit, are beyond redemption and will not ever repent because they are what God calls "reprobates"...hardened and calloused degenerates with no conscience.

You are seeking God. You have not committed that sin. Repent, get right with God and live your life without such a needling fear.

Sometimes a little knowledge causes a lot of problems, doesn't it? We need to ask God for the wisdom to understand His word. You have asked those who may know what this passage means and they have all told you the same thing. That should settle it for you and bring you some peace about it. If not, just ask God to give you that peace and He will.

Caty · Jul 2, 2009

do you think that God would have forgiven the pharasises if they would have asked for forgiveness??

JimB · Jul 2, 2009

Caty said:
do you think that God would have forgiven the pharasises if they would have asked for forgiveness??

Yes, after Christ paid the full redemption price for their sin through His Atoning death on the Cross, I believe they would have been forgiven of any sin, even that so-called unforgivable one, just like anyone else.

~Jim

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