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I'm a new Christian, and I have one question I need andswered please!

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So I have been working on my Faith a lot, but there is one thing I am wondering. In the Bible, it says that one the Holy Spirit touches you, you start speaking tongues. That is when you know you have definitely been saved. Now, is that really necessary? Can you be saved without the ''speaking tongues'' part? And is it okay to be quiet when you pray, in church. I have seen a lot of people who were shouting their Faith (I guess I could say that) and I have nothing against it, I think it's beautiful. But I'm not one to shout, I'm a quiet person haha. So help? Please? :prayer:
 

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Not a problem.

I am curious as to who lead you to believe that when the Holy Spirit imparts salvation to you that you would suddenly start speaking in tongues? There are reasons to speak in tongue, mind you it is just not something everyone who is saved will be able to do.
 
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Well, being a human I cannot confirm or refute your salvation, that is absolutely between you and God. Though, I would suggest talking to an elder or the pastor of your church if you are having any doubts.

And welcome to the forum!
 
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See around 1 Cor 12:10, where Paul talks about the various gifts. Not everyone has everything, certainly not tongues. Indeed in 1 Cor 14:20ff he suggests that tongues are not the most important gift.

In fact tongue-speaking is rare outside the Pentecostal tradition. For centuries it was thought that tongues was a sign necessary in NT times when Christianity was new, but not currently. The Pentecostal movement revived use of tongues, and has at times implied that all believers should speak in tongues. I have no objection to the restoration of tongues, but Biblical evidence is against the concept that most people should expect to speak in tongues.
 
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Can you be saved without the ''speaking tongues'' part?

Hi NewChristian, you should carefully study what the Bible has to say about speaking in tongues (as well as the other gifts of the Spirit) for yourself. Read 1 Corinthians 12-14, taking particular notice of these verses while doing so:
Does the Bible teach that all Christians will manifest all of the gifts of the Spirit? Does it say that all of us will speak in tongues, or does it seem to say something different all together .. :confused:
Does the Bible teach that the "unbeliever" and the "ungifted"* are one in the same, or does the Bible differentiate between the two .. :confused:

*(the "ungifted" are those who, in this case, have not been given the gift of tongues)

It's nice to know what the Bible actually says, isn't it, and on the subject of "tongues", it is certainly quite clear .. :thumbsup:

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - the Scripture verses above should be 'clickable', just FYI.
 
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You don't need to speak in tongues to know for sure that you are saved. The above verses are correct. Not only that, but they tell us of a gift of interpretation of tongues - which is necessary, since there are false tongues out there. So somebody could be "speaking in tongues," but without an interpreter, you don't know if he's an imposter, or what the message is if he is genuine.
 
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NewChristian1694 said in post #1:

Can you be saved without the ''speaking tongues'' part? And is it okay to be quiet when you pray, in church.

Yes to both questions.

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Also, it should be pointed out that some saved people speak in tongues still today because the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:8-10), which operate in believers who have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts 19:6, Acts 11:15-16 & Acts 10:44-46), won't cease operating until Jesus' second coming. For 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 means that just as only when children become adults do they put away childish things, so only when believers will become perfect when they see Jesus face to face at his second coming (1 John 3:2) will they no longer need the Spiritual gifts of prophecy, tongues, and the word of knowledge (1 Corinthians 12:8,10). During the coming tribulation (which will precede the second coming: Matthew 24:29-31), are some in the church going to reject the ministry of the two witnesses simply because it will involve the two witnesses prophesying and performing miracles (Revelation 11:3,6)?

Because the second coming (like the tribulation) hasn't happened yet, all the gifts of the Spirit are still operating in the church today (within Pentecostal and charismatic-type congregations, which can be found within different denominations). God's Word commands believers to operate in the Spiritual gifts when believers come together (1 Corinthians 14:26-31). So congregations today must be careful never to quench the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), such as by despising prophesyings (1 Thessalonians 5:20) or forbidding all speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:39b).

Tongues are one of the Spiritual gifts which the Holy Spirit miraculously gives to believers (1 Corinthians 12:8-10) through which believers can be regularly edified (1 Corinthians 14:4-5,12,26). Not all Holy Spirit-baptized believers will speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30), but almost all will (cf. Acts 19:6, Acts 10:45-46), for tongues are one of the lesser gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:28, 1 Corinthians 14:5).

Different believers receive different kinds of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:10). Some tongues are languages which can be understood by humans (Acts 2:4,8) while other tongues are languages which can't be understood by humans (1 Corinthians 14:2), not even the speakers (1 Corinthians 14:14). Unintelligible tongues could include ancient human languages which are unknown to history, ancient human languages which are known to history but aren't understood, and angelic languages (1 Corinthians 13:1).

Unintelligible tongues aren't useless, however, because when they're prayed or sung privately to God without interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:2,28) they edify the spirits of those who speak or sing them (1 Corinthians 14:4,14-15, Jude 1:20), to bless God and thank God (1 Corinthians 14:16). And when unintelligible tongues are prayed or sung out loud in a congregation, and then Spiritually interpreted (1 Corinthians 12:10b-11), their interpretation edifies the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:5b,12-13,26). When Christians sing in tongues to God they are singing the "spiritual songs" which Paul distinguishes from psalms and hymns (Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16).

Paul sets no restrictions on how much believers can pray and sing to God in tongues out loud at home, or silently in church (1 Corinthians 14:28) (just as regular praying can be done silently: e.g. 1 Samuel 1:13a,17). Indeed, Paul prayed and sung to God in tongues in private more than anyone (1 Corinthians 14:18-19). But with regard to church meetings, Paul sets very strict rules on speaking tongues out loud: they must never be spoken out loud in church meetings unless there's someone present who can Spiritually interpret them to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:28).

And even when a tongues-interpreter is present in a church meeting, at the most only three people should in turn speak out loud in unknown tongues, which should then be interpreted to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:27). Everyone who has received the gift of tongues should be praying for the separate gift of the interpretation of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:10b), so that he or she can edify others (1 Corinthians 14:12-13).

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Besides getting water baptized, believers can also get Holy Spirit baptized (Acts 11:15-16, cf. Acts 10:44-46). They usually have to ask to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13b) baptism, because it isn't usually automatically given to them the moment they become believers; that's why Paul the apostle asked some believers: "Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2).

Believers usually receive the Holy Spirit baptism through prayer accompanied by the laying on of hands, subsequent to water baptism (Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). As was pointed out earlier, Holy Spirit baptism won't result in speaking in tongues for everyone (1 Corinthians 12:30), but for almost everyone, as speaking in tongues is one of the lesser gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:8-11, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 1 Corinthians 14:5).

Many believers haven't yet experienced the Holy Spirit baptism simply because they haven't yet asked for it, under the principle of "ye have not, because ye ask not" (James 4:2b). Many believers haven't yet asked for it because they've come under the influence of mistaken teachings which say that it's no longer in effect. Believers can get hands laid on them to receive the Holy Spirit baptism at, for example, a Pentecostal or charismatic-type congregation.
 
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Wow! Thanks to everyone who took time to answer. I think i need some more help... I am in a relationship with my best friend of 5 years. We started a relationship three months ago and at the time he wasn't going to church anymore. Now he started going again, and he says that he is worried that I don't want to follow their church. The reason why I can't go with him is because he had to move recently two hours away. Now... Another thing is that I am scared of his "religion" . He goes to a United Pentecoastal Church. I have read about it and I am afraid of it. There are so many restrictions and things I don't necessarily believe. For example, I am not the skirt type of girl. And if my hair needs a trim, I will get it. Because In my mind, God accepts us as we are and I have FAITH. I'm currently happy with my Christianity, but I am scared of all the restrictions and the Church, how some people end up on the floor, shaking, receiving the Holy Spirit. I have been raised in a family and society where Catholics are more common however, my mother and I do not like to say we have a religion. We simply call it Faith. Should I really try to attend UPC? I am so afraid of losing him. We have both secretly loved each other for four years and I really love him. How is it possible that this is happening? :/
 
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Honestly, you need to sit down and talk to him about your concerns. If your relationship is headed toward marriage, then this will be a hugely important matter to resolve before you approach that stage. One thing that can tear a relationship apart almost as much as a believer being in a relationship with a non-believer, is when two Christians have two majorly differing viewpoints. This must be resolved before your relationship can grow further.
 
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Wow! Thanks to everyone who took time to answer. I think i need some more help... I am in a relationship with my best friend of 5 years. We started a relationship three months ago and at the time he wasn't going to church anymore. Now he started going again, and he says that he is worried that I don't want to follow their church. The reason why I can't go with him is because he had to move recently two hours away. Now... Another thing is that I am scared of his "religion" . He goes to a United Pentecoastal Church. I have read about it and I am afraid of it. There are so many restrictions and things I don't necessarily believe. For example, I am not the skirt type of girl. And if my hair needs a trim, I will get it. Because In my mind, God accepts us as we are and I have FAITH. I'm currently happy with my Christianity, but I am scared of all the restrictions and the Church, how some people end up on the floor, shaking, receiving the Holy Spirit. I have been raised in a family and society where Catholics are more common however, my mother and I do not like to say we have a religion. We simply call it Faith. Should I really try to attend UPC? I am so afraid of losing him. We have both secretly loved each other for four years and I really love him. How is it possible that this is happening? :/

Hey NewChristian, I was going to say that there is no reason to be "afraid" of your boyfriend's church, but after reading through the UPC "Articles of Faith", I can understand your reluctance! Here is one example from that document for those who haven't read it:
We wholeheartedly disapprove of our people indulging in any activities which are not conducive to good Christianity and Godly living, such as theaters, dances, mixed bathing, women cutting their hair, make-up, any apparel that immodestly exposes the body, all worldly sports and amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music. Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church. UPC "Articles Of Faith"
That such a statement is part of their statement of faith certainly speaks volumes about the level of legalism that one must buy into to be a part of this denomination. I also believe they are part of the "Oneness" movement which denies the Trinity.

One last thing, especially since (I'm assuming by your CF user name) you are a new Christian, are you regularly attending church anywhere else at this time?

God bless! (Numbers 6:24-26)

David
 
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Unfortunately, I haven't picked out a Church yet. Because of that. I don't know which one to take, and I'm very confused. I'm not ready to give up everything I have lived with. I am happy with my lifestyle, I accept everyone as they are. I believe he should accept me too, but I guess it doesn't work that way. I thought that as long as you believed and were faithful, then you were accepted. There is so much I would have to do, and I feel like I shouldnt go to their church and stick with my own religion. I'm confused... He used to accept me that way.
 
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There are certain denominations in what is called the radical area which insist that their membership obey their heirarchy without question and without exception. Note that many of the laws in their 'articles of faith' are specifically aimed at women, rather than their being for either sex. To them a woman has a secondhand role, and is always to be totally submissive to her husband, as well as to the leadership of that church.
 
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I am sure some others in this forum will disagree with this approach, but I have seen it work in the past. My suggestion is to find a good non-denominational, or Assembly of God church in your area. They are good for getting the basics down. Get in touch with an elder or the pastor of the church and start digging into some of the more meaty topics that have been discussed on this site, after you have been attending the church for a while.

I have seen many new Christians attend these more laid back churches and eventually migrate toward other churches that more closely subscribe to your beliefs. This is a very good way of getting into the theology and doctrines of the Bible.

I do not suggest going the your boyfriends church right away, because you will most likely get turned off or disallusioned right away.

Hope this helps.
 
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