Illuminati?

[Robbie_James_Francis]

The Illuminati is a distraction. Powerful people abuse their power for their own advantage. There's no great conspiracy going on, it's just greedy people being greedy. The scary thing is not that they do it in secret, but that they do it in full view of everyone and still get away with it. If the Illumanati existed, it couldn't possibly be more terrifying than organisations like the IMF, WTO or World Bank, that are just openly evil.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Ok, my daughter comes home from school today (she's a senior) and tells me they're teaching on Illuminati at school.

You'd think that if there were an all-powerful secret organization in charge of the world... that they would successfully prevent the Illuminati from being taught as a subject in schools!


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

The Illuminati is a distraction. Powerful people abuse their power for their own advantage. There's no great conspiracy going on, it's just greedy people being greedy. The scary thing is not that they do it in secret, but that they do it in full view of everyone and still get away with it. If the Illumanati existed, it couldn't possibly be more terrifying than organisations like the IMF, WTO or World Bank, that are just openly evil.

Of course.

America has two big Illuminatis. They are called the Democratic and Republican Parties. While they have their tensions and differences, their interests are largely the same, and they make up the Establishment. Hundreds of mundane special interests, from labor unions to the military-industrial complex, make up the "co-conspirators".

There is your Illuminati. It's right there in front of everyone's faces.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[MorkandMindy]

Robbie James Francis is entirely correct as usual.



But there is some point in looking into the Illuminati et all owing to the pivotal role the secret organizations played in Western history from around 1200 to World War 2.



The main secret organizations were started by some Kabbalah Jews for the very obvious need to break the Roman Catholic Church as it considered the Jews to be the killers of Christ, and the key event that got it moving was the killing of 150 Jews in York in 1190 and other events around that time.

And from that eventually came the Protestant revolt which could have been a temporary rift as the Catholic Church promptly reformed in it's own reformation, but some key Kabbalah Jews noted that there were points the Catholics and Protestants could fight over and allegedly started the Jesuit movement to keep the dispute alive.

And later on the Jews of Holland backed Oliver Cromwell in the English Civil War and Charles I was executed to expiate the sin of King Edward I who in 1290 expelled all the Jews from England. As a key part of the agreement allowing the Restoration of the monarchy in the United Kingdom, the Jews were allowed to return.

Communications and discussions and arrangements in the Freemason organization Grand Orient de France were crucial to the French Revolution. I'm not sure whether Hitler's Catholic background played a role in his anti Jewish actions or whether they were principally because he thought they were Marxist and would rise against him when Russia told them to, or if it was just harnessing the anti semitic feelings that were prevalent at the time and place I don't know; most likely it was a bit of all three.

 

[Itswhatever]

When i think of the illuminati, I think of the people that killed tupac and various other stars that spoke out. But then again you guys probably don't know who tupac is.

Well, I dont know who tupac is but I dont agree with you, consistently accusing the spiritual group of people,the illuminati. The war was not illuminati's responsibility and the killing of your tupac buddy. Illuminati are religious people holding top secrets.Pagans who had been ruled by evil caused the war. Romans were Pagans before and they conquered the world in World War I with millions of death and ever since then corruption ruled the land. Illuminati will remain in their faith and conceal all secrets.

Thank you for proving your ignorance

 

[rorax30]

The Illuminati is a distraction. Powerful people abuse their power for their own advantage. There's no great conspiracy going on, it's just greedy people being greedy. The scary thing is not that they do it in secret, but that they do it in full view of everyone and still get away with it. If the Illumanati existed, it couldn't possibly be more terrifying than organisations like the IMF, WTO or World Bank, that are just openly evil.


Robie,it is in every one's discretion to be evil. Every people know what is right and what is wrong. When there is an abuse,that is evil but the secret society are not inclined to that i believed.They're all well disciplined and loving people for divine perfection.

 

[MorkandMindy]

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Robie,it is in every one's discretion to be evil. Every people know what is right and what is wrong. When there is an abuse,that is evil but the secret society are not inclined to that i believed.They're all well disciplined and loving people for divine perfection.

Apologies for answering on Robbie's half bee (that's a post tachyon behalf), but such is the nature of forums, work schedules and time zones.


When the Spanish arrived on the island of Hispanola they killed and robbed and put the native population into forced labor, eventually exterminated the entire peaceful happy population.

Why?

They needed / choose to repay those who had lent them the money to buy the boats, and although there was little of worth on the Island they noticed the native did wear small gold ear rings (and nothing else) so they took those and forced them to work the poor gold deposits.

I find it hard to believe they would have followed their own evil desires to the total elimination of the population if they had just each done as they felt. But the need to maximise the monetary return of the investors put them in a situation where they committed far more evil than they would have done by themselves.

Any other analysis of this event would be appreciated

cheers, M of M&M

 

[DaisyDay]

When i think of the illuminati, I think of the people that killed tupac and various other stars that spoke out.

Biggie Smalls and James Rosemond?

But then again you guys probably dont know who tupac is.

Yes, we guys is ignorant as dirt.

 

[DaisyDay]

Apologies for answering on Robbie's half bee (that's a post tachyon behalf), but such is the nature of forums, work schedules and time zones.


When the Spanish arrived on the island of Hispanola they killed and robbed and put the native population into forced labor, eventually exterminated the entire peaceful happy population.

Why?

They needed / choose to repay those who had lent them the money to buy the boats, and although there was little of worth on the Island they noticed the native did wear small gold ear rings (and nothing else) so they took those and forced them to work the poor gold deposits.

I find it hard to believe they would have followed their own evil desires to the total elimination of the population if they had just each done as they felt. But the need to maximise the monetary return of the investors put them in a situation where they committed far more evil than they would have done by themselves.

Any other analysis of this event would be appreciated

cheers, M of M&M

Well, they didn't exterminate them on purpose - it was the diseases that mostly did it. The conquering heroes would have preferred the natives live on as their slaves; if the natives had, then the heroes wouldn't have had to import forced labor at considerable cost and inconvenience.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Interesting topic. The Illuminati is real as is the Freemasons. Secret societies has existed for a very long time, way back. But you should do some research on the Jesuits since they are the ones who are using all of these societies for their purposes. A Pastor by the name of Walter Veith, who's father in law was very high up in the occult is very knowledgable on this and has an entire series called "Total Onslaught". I just looked one of those presentations in the series called "War of the bibles" where he goes into the history of the bible and how the modern versions of the bible have been changed to undermine the divinity of Christ etc. Through his presentations, many freemasons have come forward and turned to Christianity. Many would be skeptical but this thing is real. If you guys think that the whole economic collapse that is happening all over the world is a mere coincidence you are mistaken. Both George Bush and John Kerry when asked about being apart of Skull and Bones playfully admitted to it. Many of the world leaders are in these societies and it is not a conspiracy theory but a conspiracy fact.

MSNBC Meet The Press Interview with John Kerry the Skull & Bones Question - YouTube

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Apologies for answering on Robbie's half bee (that's a post tachyon behalf), but such is the nature of forums, work schedules and time zones.


When the Spanish arrived on the island of Hispanola they killed and robbed and put the native population into forced labor, eventually exterminated the entire peaceful happy population.

Why?

They needed / choose to repay those who had lent them the money to buy the boats, and although there was little of worth on the Island they noticed the native did wear small gold ear rings (and nothing else) so they took those and forced them to work the poor gold deposits.

I find it hard to believe they would have followed their own evil desires to the total elimination of the population if they had just each done as they felt. But the need to maximise the monetary return of the investors put them in a situation where they committed far more evil than they would have done by themselves.

Any other analysis of this event would be appreciated

cheers, M of M&M

I am from Grenada which is in the West Indies of which Hispaniola (Haiti/Dominican Republic) is apart of. I did allot of history all throughout school and I must say that you are wrong. If you are right, then they had no need to force all of them to neglect their religion and follow the Catholic religion. They basically saw a land full of profit and exploited then. It has nothing to do with replaying any loans.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don't see a problem teaching about it. I mean it's a real part of history. They teach about the KKK and Masons don't they? You don't have to agree with the group to teach it as part of history.

I would go as far as saying it's a real part of the present day.

There's still an elite group of families with old money that are calling the shots for a lot of things. Rothschilds, DuPonts, Morgans, Astors, and Warburgs.

These are the guys that our government is taking high interest loans from and when our government can't pay them back in cash, they have no choice but to pay them back in favors.

 

[mpok1519]

When i think of the illuminati, I think of the people that killed tupac and various other stars that spoke out. But then again you guys probably don't know who tupac is.

Well, I dont know who tupac is but I dont agree with you, consistently accusing the spiritual group of people,the illuminati. The war was not illuminati's responsibility and the killing of your tupac buddy. Illuminati are religious people holding top secrets.Pagans who had been ruled by evil caused the war. Romans were Pagans before and they conquered the world in World War I with millions of death and ever since then corruption ruled the land. Illuminati will remain in their faith and conceal all secrets.

...........how do you not know who Tupac is?!

 

[Core90]

I've done a little bit of research on this Illuminati, and I'm torn as to what I should beleive in them, if it all. I do find it odd that these supposed illuminati symbols are found everywhere, from logos and emblems of companies to music videos, and so forth.
Alot of people have claimed to have visions and such warning of them too, I've had a few dreams about Lucifer advertising himself myself.
Sometimes though I come back to Romans 13, which I happened to have to memorize at my private Christian School. One site I read said that for people against the Illuminati, you have to ignore Romans 13 completly.
1. Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

 

[Autumnleaf]

I've done a little bit of research on this Illuminati, and I'm torn as to what I should beleive in them, if it all. I do find it odd that these supposed illuminati symbols are found everywhere, from logos and emblems of companies to music videos, and so forth.
Alot of people have claimed to have visions and such warning of them too, I've had a few dreams about Lucifer advertising himself myself.
Sometimes though I come back to Romans 13, which I happened to have to memorize at my private Christian School. One site I read said that for people against the Illuminati, you have to ignore Romans 13 completly.
1. Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Thats right. Don't make any waves. Obey the government and don't question what they do or why they do it. So sayeth the Lord your God. Leave vengeance and wrath to God.

The Illuminati are playing their roles and eventually God will come and then...

The Coasters - Along Came Jones (1965) - YouTube

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I've done a little bit of research on this Illuminati, and I'm torn as to what I should beleive in them, if it all. I do find it odd that these supposed illuminati symbols are found everywhere, from logos and emblems of companies to music videos, and so forth.
Alot of people have claimed to have visions and such warning of them too, I've had a few dreams about Lucifer advertising himself myself.
Sometimes though I come back to Romans 13, which I happened to have to memorize at my private Christian School. One site I read said that for people against the Illuminati, you have to ignore Romans 13 completly.
1. Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

That scripture is still valid expect the situations where the Governments will pass laws which go against the commandments and word of God. That is exactly what will be the case with the New World Order.

 

[Core90]

That scripture is still valid expect the situations where the Governments will pass laws which go against the commandments and word of God. That is exactly what will be the case with the New World Order.

That makes since to me.
I read about an interesting vision someone talked about, I'm not exactly sure what my stance is on those either, but it was interesting nontheless. A guy said he had a dream about 20 years ago.
In it, the Antichrist took over and began advertising his NWO propoganda all over plasma TV's placed just about everywhere (I've had a dream myself, with someone advertising Lucifer in the sky).
Eventually, the NWO was in full effect, and Christians wer'e round up and executed. But this particular person didn't feel any pain, and was with Jesus afterwards, as he saw his body bleed, and the executioner say that he never saw anyone bleed like him, and that he would never execute again.

I guess the only thing we can do now is stand for God, and be willing/prepared to take that literally to the grave.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

That makes since to me.
I read about an interesting vision someone talked about, I'm not exactly sure what my stance is on those either, but it was interesting nontheless. A guy said he had a dream about 20 years ago.
In it, the Antichrist took over and began advertising his NWO propoganda all over plasma TV's placed just about everywhere (I've had a dream myself, with someone advertising Lucifer in the sky).
Eventually, the NWO was in full effect, and Christians wer'e round up and executed. But this particular person didn't feel any pain, and was with Jesus afterwards, as he saw his body bleed, and the executioner say that he never saw anyone bleed like him, and that he would never execute again.

I guess the only thing we can do now is stand for God, and be willing/prepared to take that literally to the grave.

Right. What a dream to have. I recently watched some presentations in a series called Total Onslaught by Walter Veith. This guy really knows what he's talking about and he has allot of information not just about secret societies, but how they control the world and how they will bring about the NWO. And his information is from inside people and reliable sources as well as he himself, being the son in law of a man very high up in the ranks of the occult.

 

[rorax30]

You talkk too much of illuminati and new world order. You seemed so worried of such system of governance. I'm not that concerned of illuminatis ruling for I believed that they are wise people. I'm more hassle with the Old World order in a way that they are conspiring the economy. The manipulation of food prices by the decreased and increase of oil pinned us in the bondage of poverty. I'm a Filipino and I'm hurt of such APEC(association of Petroleum Exporting Countries)influence around the World. The prices of our common commodities raised to 5 times higher since 1984 and it keeps increasing due instability in the Middle East. I'm dismayed because one of our Mechanical Engineer discovered an alternative in running an automotive engine that s,if you heard,by means of water as a fuel. But the local investors including the state seem to have not hear of the discovery. And no local and foreign investor had supported Him. That discovery and invention, I suppose, will free as from all sort, from poverty and from such conspiracy. If I'll be given the chance to seat in Malacanang and rule Philippines, I will establish my monarchy on producing the vehicle exclusively here in our country. Vivid that such influence affected us and it [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] me off. It oblige my fellowmen to work double to even three times harder two decades ago, otherwise they can't send their siblings to school and in fact, most family's neighboring me cant send their siblings to college. how i wish that the new world order ,if they can,will change history by implementing stoppage of the use of gasoline and invest on Electrical and water run/generated Cars. A conspiracy of Saudi and Capitalists. Such influence o illuminati on religion is not that controversial. It has no fatal effect and even if they will, it will transformed us into gods and goddesses. If illuminatis are lucifirians, I believed nothing is wrong with it. You have your own prejudice and decision on sort of thing. Aside from that,Lucifers contribution to our very existence was our penis and vagina. Myth tells that he did while adam and eve were sleeping and God was resting.Thanks to Him for the pleasure.hehehehehe.Their penis made them to be angry with Lucifer because it turn them into Humans and no longer demi-gods.hahahaha(lol). It was his mistake that s why God course the most beautiful angel to walk with us on earth,cast for eternity.

 

[rorax30]

You talkk too much of illuminati and new world order. You seemed so worried of such system of governance. I'm not that concerned of illuminatis ruling for I believed that they are wise people. I'm more [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] with the Old World order in a way that they are conspiring the economy. The manipulation of food prices by the decreased and increase of oil pinned us in the bondage of poverty. I'm a Filipino and I'm hurt of such APEC(association of Petroleum Exporting Countries)influence around the World. The prices of our common commodities raised to 5 times higher since 1984 and it keeps increasing due instability in the Middle East. I'm dismayed because one of our Mechanical Engineer discovered an alternative in running an automotive engine that s,if you heard,by means of water as a fuel. But the local investors including the state seem to have not hear of the discovery. And no local and foreign investor had supported Him. That discovery and invention, I suppose, will free as all sort, from poverty and from such conspiracy. If I'll be given the chance to seat in Malacanang and rule Philippines, I will establish my monarchy on producing the vehicle exclusively here in our country. Vivid that such influence affected us and it [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] me off. It oblige my fellowmen to work double to even three times harder two decades ago, otherwise they can't send their siblings to school and in fact, most family's neighboring me cant send their siblings to college. how i wish that the new world order ,if they can,will change history by implementing stoppage of the use of gasoline and invest on Electrical and water run/generated Cars. A conspiracy of Saudi and Capitalists. Such influence o illuminati on religion is not that controversial. It has no fatal effect and even if they will, it will transformed us into gods and goddesses. If illuminatis are lucifirians, I believed nothing is wrong with it. You have your own prejudice and decision on sort of thing. Aside from that,Lucifers contribution to our very existence was our penis and vagina. Myth tells that he did while adam and eve were sleeping and God was resting.Thanks to Him for the pleasure.hehehehehe.Their penis made them to be angry with Lucifer because it turn them into Humans and no longer demi-gods.hahahaha(lol). It was his mistake that s why God course the most beautiful angel to walk with us on earth,cast for eternity.