Illuminati?

[spiritualwarrior77]

Well, I don't need to fantasize because it's provable.

The international bankers don't even try to hide what they're doing, they (who just happen to run the federal reserve and IMF) published a book called "Modern Money Mechanics"...it's a how-to guide to show step by step how to inflate the money supply at will and enslave a nation through debt.

I think Bill Hicks said it quite well:

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Take a moment to watch the documentary I linked in my previous post, it's got some good information (about 99% of which can be easily researched and cross referenced with other reliable sources with a simple google search)

Yes... it's incredible to me that people still think a power hungry cabal existing is a fantasy.
Who said media brainwashing doesn't work! :o

 

[Illuminaughty]

There are lots of power hungry cabals I just doubt that there is one uber-cabal the rules the world unchallenged.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

At the non-christian forum I was at before, which was a forum about armageddon, conspiracies...etc, the biggest topic was the Illuminati through history and how its still going on today. After hearing about it for awhlie I began to think it was all true and that maybe the world was in one giant group out to kill us all or something like that. Then upon leaving the forum I realized how we can get caught up in such crazy things and begin to think they are true!

Do I believe they existed? Maybe. Do I believe they exist now? Nope.

 

[Blayz]

Yes... it's incredible to me that people still think a power hungry cabal existing is a fantasy.
Who said media brainwashing doesn't work! :o

It's incredible to me that people still think a single secret power hungry cabal that has been controlling the world for hundreds of years is a reality.
Brainwashing clearly works!

 

[Eudaimonist]

The real Illuminati who control the world are in plain sight. They are called "governments" and "special interest groups".


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[prodigal brother]

Well, I don't need to fantasize because it's provable.

The international bankers don't even try to hide what they're doing, they (who just happen to run the federal reserve and IMF) published a book called "Modern Money Mechanics"...it's a how-to guide to show step by step how to inflate the money supply at will and enslave a nation through debt.

I think Bill Hicks said it quite well:
Take a moment to watch the documentary I linked in my previous post, it's got some good information (about 99% of which can be easily researched and cross referenced with other reliable sources with a simple google search)

these two remind me of J. Edgar Hoover the head of the FBI back in the day of JFK, when Hoover declared that organized crime families don't exist, when in reality they had already gotten to him, and he was a mere pawn.

anyone today that doesn't reconize organized criminal activity in our government and that being directed by the small percentage of those who own the world, are either really naive, or are a part of the problem

much like hoover, he wasn't naive in saying the Mob doesn't exist, he was part of the problem.

 

[prodigal brother]

Yes... it's incredible to me that people still think a power hungry cabal existing is a fantasy.
Who said media brainwashing doesn't work! :o

actually I really wouldn't be surprised if people were hired to post the ridiculous counter postings these two (illuminati wanna be's) are posting

 

[cow451]

actually I really wouldn't be surprised if people were hired to post the ridiculous counter postings these two (illuminati wanna be's) are posting

Or the conspiratorialists could be the one's getting paid to keep (try to, anyway) people from seeing real issues. The old double reverse disinformation.

Although I would never accuse conspiracy buffs (aside from the profiteers like Alex Jones, et al) of being insincere or pawns of Satan.

 

[prodigal brother]

At the non-christian forum I was at before, which was a forum about armageddon, conspiracies...etc, the biggest topic was the Illuminati through history and how its still going on today. After hearing about it for awhlie I began to think it was all true and that maybe the world was in one giant group out to kill us all or something like that. Then upon leaving the forum I realized how we can get caught up in such crazy things and begin to think they are true!

Do I believe they existed? Maybe. Do I believe they exist now? Nope.

well then as a Christian you better get a scissor and start cutting out passages out of your bible, because satan and his demonic followers have been cast to the earth, and way back when Jesus came the first time, satan showed Jesus all HIS kingdoms and offered them to Jesus if He would bow down to him.

you fail to understand the most basic principle of spiritual things, who is behind these people that want to rule the world, the bible says there is a synogog of satan, that satan has people doing his will. If you don't believe satan has people under his command then I don't really think you believe the whole bible.

If you read carefully, Jesus second coming is all about taking authority and power away from satan, and his beast network of kings and kingdoms, If satan is not the authority and power behind the rulers of the earth, then why is it the main event to destroy the four satanic kingdoms that rise from the earth, unless you believe the four kingdoms are Gods kingdoms, and He sent His Son to destroy His own Kingdoms!

the whole bible is about the Kingdom of God, and the kingdoms of satan, If you fail to reconize that God's kingdom is manifested on earth by real air breathing humans, then why does it escape your reality that satan would also have real humans manifesting his kingdoms also......are you really that dull!

 

[prodigal brother]

It's incredible to me that people still think a single secret power hungry cabal that has been controlling the world for hundreds of years is a reality.
Brainwashing clearly works!

yes to the godless this seems far fetched, to those who understand satan is here on earth directing mens paths through greed and power, its unsurprising how each generation performs perfectly in adding to what was prophesied long ago, the Image and the beast in the book of Daniel are a depiction of the body of satan. he will continue to build his kingdoms, until he can install his anti-christ and fulfill scripture

 

[prodigal brother]

Or the conspiratorialists could be the one's getting paid to keep (try to, anyway) people from seeing real issues. The old double reverse disinformation.

Although I would never accuse conspiracy buffs (aside from the profiteers like Alex Jones, et al) of being insincere or pawns of Satan.

you are a pawn.......or possibly spawn...........or maybe your like many christians.........you really haven't read the bible more than once and understand the whole story line

 

[cow451]

you fail to understand the most basic principle of spiritual things, who is behind these people that want to rule the world, the bible says there is a synogog of satan, that satan has people doing his will. If you don't believe satan has people under his command then I don't really think you believe the whole bible.

You view is based a a "boogey man" concept of Satan.

 

[cow451]

you are a pawn.......or possibly spawn...........or maybe your like many christians.........you really haven't read the bible more than once and understand the whole story line

When you have evidence, attack the evidence. When you don't have evidence, attack the person.

 

[prodigal brother]

You view is based a a "boogey man" concept of Satan.

no my unbiblical friend, my view is what is clearly seen in scripture, try opening the book once and reading more than a verse or two

 

[prodigal brother]

When you have evidence, attack the evidence. When you don't have evidence, attack the person.

either you believe the evidence of the bible, that clearly state satan is a real person or you don't

 

[cow451]

no my unbiblical friend, my view is what is cllearly seen in scripture, try opening the book once and reading more than a verse or two

Revelation (along with many other scriptures) is a a rather cryptic collection that is subject to various interpretation. I'll gladly have a discussion about this theological point, although that may need to be in another thread.

You may want to refresh yourself about the Forum Rules as well.

 

[prodigal brother]

Revelation (along with many other scriptures) is a a rather cryptic collection that is subject to various interpretation. I'll gladly have a discussion about this theological point, although that may need to be in another thread.

You may want to refresh yourself about the Forum Rules as well.

either satan was cast down to earth or not.........the bible says he was!
either satan has kingdoms on earth or not...........the bible says he does!
either satans kingdoms manifest in our reality or not...the bible says they do!................if you don't believe these simple biblical facts of truth, then to refer to you as unbiblical is quite fitting to say the least

 

[spiritualwarrior77]

Revelation (along with many other scriptures) is a a rather cryptic collection that is subject to various interpretation. I'll gladly have a discussion about this theological point, although that may need to be in another thread.

Rev 19:19
And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
How on earth do you expect satan to pull this off without a massive global conspiracy? What do you think satan does with his time? How do you think satan operates in this world? Do you even believe in satan? ("boogie man?"... are you for real?!?!)

What kind of evidence do you need. I have it coming out my ears. Ask away!!!

Try this for starters.
You'll never think the same way again. . . The Revelation

Have you actually read the Bible?

 

[Blayz]

Rev 19:19
And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

Sounds like an army to me.

Do you even believe in satan?

Nope.

What kind of evidence do you need. I have it coming out my ears. Ask away!!!

Alright. That's too easy. Not touching it with a 10' barge pole.

Have you actually read the Bible?

Yes!

 

[cow451]

Rev 19:19
And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
How on earth do you expect satan to pull this off without a massive global conspiracy? What do you think satan does with his time? How do you think satan operates in this world? Do you even believe in satan? ("boogie man?"... are you for real?!?!)

What kind of evidence do you need. I have it coming out my ears. Ask away!!!

Try this for starters.
You'll never think the same way again. . . The Revelation

Have you actually read the Bible?

Opinion, interpretation and hubris are not evidence. The Dispensationalist interpretation is but one viewpoint and is certainly not the linchpin of salvation.

John had to write cryptically because of the dangerous time (for Christians) in which he lived. Christians of the day probably had a greater understanding than we do because the symbols and imagery readily fit the world dominated by the brutal Roman Empire (e.g., Nero and Domitian).

People have been trying to make current events fit Revelation for centuries without success. I say that as a former dispensationalist.