Illegal Immigration

[KarateCowboy]

also, the natives tried to defend themselves, but they were mercifullessly slaughtered by superior technology, deceit(we always pitted tribes against each other, lying to each side, playing double agents to pull their strings), and countless numbers of alien diseases which they had no defense from. Trail of Tears. Oklahoma?

What people did 100 years ago to the Indians has little bearing on the immorality of interloping. This is a perfect example of the thought process I abhor: "We are just as evil, so it doesn't matter".

they couldn't defend theirselves; it was practically impossible; the entire native american nation versus the white invaders is close to pitting a house-cat and a tiger against each other. It was a very one-sided fight; so it was right for us to conquer and rape their lands as long as they had a miniscule chance to win the fight that they should never have been forced to participate in, in the first place?

This is a non-sequitur. What people who are long dead did has little bearing on the fact that interloping to the USA is illegal. Do you think it is OK for Mexicans to break the law because of their ethnicity?

I'm not following your logic karate. You think its okay to fight someone and take their stuff just as long as they have some kind of chance to defend theirselves, no matter how advantageous or disadvantageous?

I'll reply to your next post now; wow.

I try to stay away from the complexities of national struggles. To be as concise as possible, my message is "Individuals interloping into the USA and national conquest are two different things and not a good comparison. Conflating interloping today with America's conquest is not good because it justifies people shooting foreign interlopers"

I know I can't have my ckae and eat it too, but I also really don't care what happens with this illegal immigration situation because I already know theres nothing we can do to stop it short of starting a border war with them, but would that be worth it? I don't think so. Theres absolutely nothing we can do short of racial profiling and enacting tactical neo-fascist social control/domination systems that might spit in the face of inalienable rights even illegal immigrants have, or violece; more and more and more violence, the USA's answer to everything.

There is hope, mpok. One extreme says "Path to citizenship", another extreme says "deportation". The true middle ground is Attrition through Enforcement. It is humane. It works. Take away the incentive of jobs and they will go home on their own. "Stop the rides and turn off the lights and everyone leaves Great America", as they say. Right now the SAVE Act (Secure America through Verification and Enforcement) is in the House. I encourage you to read up on it and also to support it.

 

[mpok1519]

Attrition? Much like apartheid had attition enforcement for foreigners. It was supposed to be humane, but, it wasn't.

I think its a good comparison because its basically the same thing as it was a hundred years ago; person a, leaves place a, and comes to place b, claims place b as his new place a, and tells person b to either deal with it, or fight.

Mexicans invade us; we invaded the natives; they are good for comparison becuase theyre both invasions; for different reasons, with different actions, but ultimately the same result.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Attrition? Much like apartheid had attition enforcement for foreigners. It was supposed to be humane, but, it wasn't.

Innocent until proven guilty. Show that denying jobs to those who are not entitled is inhumane, or rescind your point.

I think its a good comparison because its basically the same thing as it was a hundred years ago; person a, leaves place a, and comes to place b, claims place b as his new place a, and tells person b to either deal with it, or fight.

Mexicans invade us; we invaded the natives; they are good for comparison becuase theyre both invasions; for different reasons, with different actions, but ultimately the same result.

As I pointed out, anyone can tell you that individuals broken agreed-upon internationally respected borders and national conquest are two different things.

 

[mpok1519]

but a republican govt insists on less govt in business, lazzaie(sp?) faire, etc. I don't think that a corporation controlled govt cares to lower their profits when cheap highly unspecialized menial labor is so widely avaliable. When the politicians' biggest interest groups are those for big-business, I doubt your ideas would work.

"As I pointed out, anyone can tell you that individuals broken agreed-upon internationally respected borders and national conquest are two different things."

I know what you're saying, but your grammar is making it difficult for me to fully grasp the context of what you are really saying.


The natives DID have borders, which the white settlers DID NOT respect for the purpose of conquest; ignoring rules is apart of conquest. Mexico is passively conquering the usa and theres nothing we can do about it. States can ignore federal laws if they want to; federal laws can ignore state laws if they want to; due process is a joke from an overbloated and sabaceously corrupted beaurecracy; throwing money we don't have at the problem won't help; more immigration agents, won't help; more enforcement won't help. yes, people are evil, and theres nothing one can do other than to be evil in order to compete, the very competition our capitalist system feeds upon.

So I guess pick up a gun and scare people away from not taking your job?

the best thing to do is get an education; get a better job a foreigner doesn't have the qualifications for, and you won't be worried.

Deportation; just another trip over the border and you're back.
Attrition; if the economy is dependent upon the low-wage labor force, the govt won't chance it.