First of all, Trump is the most pro-life president we ever had! Any true Christian should love that. So I really do not see how a true Christian could be against Trump unless he loves a pair of sticking a pair scissors in the back of a soon-to-be-born baby while still in the birth canal and sucking out its brain. This is a partial-birth abortion. Then the abortionists sell the body parts. If the only thing Trump does is stop this Hitlerian atrocity then he would be a great president.
Lets face it. The only reason you hate Trump is because you love the killing of babies. I cannot see you as a fellow Christian.
Second, these "mind-boggling lines" are laughable. Half of them are right! The other half are either misquotes or take out of context.
Third, what of all those gaffes by Joe Biden, which shows that he has Alzheimers? But I guess a president with Alzheimers is OK with you as long as he is for the killing of babies.
Hi packerman,
Well, while I do have some Scottish ancestry, I'm not a true Scotsman. I suppose since I don't agree with your premise, that makes me not a true christian in your book. That's ok with me, since it isn't inclusion in your book that I'm shooting for. I'm not really sure how you have determined that any national leader that would stop abortion would be a great president, but be that as it may, there doesn't really seem to be much effort being made on that front from the national level. Some state's governors and legislatures have made changes, but I don't think anything much has changed on the national level.
With the recognized approval of abortion legalization that we have across the nation, which should also be reflected in our legislature, I doubt that any president will likely change abortion laws. Despite what their personal feelings or understanding of the issue is. Right now, in national polling, the acceptance of abortion either in all cases or some, is running above 70%. Those in the 'some' category have a few exceptions for which they would approve of a legal abortion. Despite excuses and explanations of that group, that still makes the doctor the god of life.
"Ms. X, you're going to die if you have this baby."
"Oh doctor, please abort my baby! I wouldn't want to let God be in charge and let's see how things really work out in the end."
Do you really believe that God sees the legalization of abortion under 'certain' circumstances as OK? That He looks down and says, "Well, according to the doctor that woman 'might' have lost her life if she continued her pregnancy, so her abortion is alright with me."
Then we have to depend on whether or not the doctor is honest in his assessment. Back when abortions were illegal we still had abortions. Just as today, the use of most recreational drugs is illegal, but we still have recreational drug use. Let's assume that the nation is able to bring about sweeping abortion changes and makes them illegal again. For those with the money to make a difference, wouldn't they just get a doctor to fudge the records a bit?
For me, the issue of the legality of abortion is no different than the issue of the legality of gambling or prostitution or drug use. If one, using your definition, is a 'true' christian, they won't have one. Not under any circumstance. If one is a non-believing sinner and has one, what difference will it make on the day of God's judgment? Will they be saved because they didn't get an abortion even though they never believed in God? Is God not powerful enough, that if He wants aborted babies saved that His mighty arm can save them?
So, I'm fine with leaving the legality of abortion just as it is. I'd rather expend my efforts, as the not true christian that I am, leading people to the Savior despite whatever sin they may have in their lives. You see, in my understanding, when the people of God fight to change national laws to reflect God's laws, we tend to make the work of God harder because it just riles up those who do not know God and makes them even less willing to hear the truth of God because all they know of Him is that His people are always trying to run our lives.
BTW, it's worth considering that making national laws the law of God didn't even work in Israel. Not even God Himself, speaking directly to the people of Israel through His servant Moses, was able to establish a nation of people who continued to obey His law. If you read the history of Israel, you see that there was this constant running battle between obeying and maintaining God's law and falling off to worship other gods and not obeying His law. God declared through Isaiah, "Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth! For the LORD has spoken: “I reared children and brought them up, but they have rebelled against me. The ox knows its master, the donkey its owner’s manger, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand.” Woe to the sinful nation, a people whose guilt is great, a brood of evildoers, children given to corruption! They have forsaken the LORD; they have spurned the Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on him.
America's sin is also great, but God doesn't ask us to change the laws of nations. God asks us, through the spreading of the gospel, to help Him change the lives and law of individuals. So, whether or not abortions are legal or illegal on the books of any nation isn't the issue. If one is a true christian, likely by your definition, they won't accept abortion as an alternative to a pregnancy, even if the mother's life is in jeopardy. Why? Because they believe in a God who, no matter when or how they die on this earth, will raise them up on the day of God's judgment and set their feet on firm and fertile ground where there is no more pain or suffering. But that's because they believe in the God who created both the heavens and the earth and all that is them.
So no, I don't choose a national leader based on his stand on abortion. I prefer to choose a national leader based on his own measure of morality and conscience, of which this particular president seems to have so little. Do you really believe that his stance on abortion glosses over the moral deficiencies of his own life, to God? It seems obvious that it does in your understanding of things, but I'd like you to consider that question as our God might consider it.
I contend that we should, as believers in the one true and living God, spend less time trying to change national laws. There is not one single example that any of the first disciples wasted a moment of their time trying to do so even though we know that Roman law had its moral problems. Paul actually discusses pretty explicitly that we can expect human law and morals to fall pretty far down as time marches on, in his letter to the Romans. Even in the old covenant with Israel, there is not one single incidence where God asked Israel to work to spread the laws, that He had given them through Moses, to the other nations of the world. I really don't understand this evangelical movement to save the world by changing national laws rather than just doing the things that the first disciples did.
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,...
I say we should adopt more of that act of love that Peter describes for us, than the militancy that our evangelical brethren seems to think honors God.
For me and my house, abortion is against the law of God, now that I am a child of God. I don't expect that understanding to be the same for those who are not children of God. Again, if you think, "Well, that little baby won't get a chance to grow up to know God." I would respectfully request that you adjust your understanding of the power and righteousness of God.
God bless,
In Christ, ted
But I believe those reporters knew the answers, or they wouldn't have interrogated Trump endlessly.
