If you want to be under the Law, don't keep the Sabbath.

[VictorC]

then, show me where there are burnt offerings mentioned in the ten commandments.

Wow, switch and bait from another member's contention that Hebrews 4:9 mentions anything about a sabbath? No comment?

Exodus 20:8 instructs the covenant recipients to keep the sabbath holy, and Numbers 28:9-10 contains an ordinance necessary to keep the sabbath holy. The entire book of the law is part of the same covenant as the tables of stone, and Galatians 3:10 reminds you of your burden to comply with the entire covenant if you want to remain bound to it instead of joining in Christ's redemption: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them".

 

[VictorC]

Matthew 24:20 ( NKJV ) 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

so why did christ give us advice concerning the sabbath for the end times?

surely He knew the sabbath would be abolished.

Please explain how one flees Jerusalem through a closed gate.

Nehemiah 13:19 So it was, at the gates of Jerusalem, as it began to be dark before the Sabbath, that I commanded the gates to be shut, and charged that they must not be opened till after the Sabbath. Then I posted some of my servants at the gates, so that no burdens would be brought in on the Sabbath day.

You need to remember that Jerusalem is the context of the reference you've mentioned, and the Judaism still practiced there still observes the sabbath instead of coming into God's rest.

 

[VictorC]

VictorC,

why are you so mean to me?

i know we disagree on things, but i would never say you get you theology from the back of a cornflake box!

Consider it a lesson via 2x4 upside the noggin intended to wake up a sleeping student. I had a professor who kept ping-pong balls in his lab coat pocket, and his proficiency at pitching at slumbering students was legendary. No, wait minute - they weren't ping-pong balls, they were pieces of 3/4" diameter chalk. Man, that was a long time ago...

You posted nonsense weeks ago, and it was shown to be unBiblical at that time. Then instead of either supporting the nonsense or learning from the cruel experience your peers dished out (I wasn't alone by any means), you repeated the same nonsense in another place, probably hoping nobody would notice.

Well, how did you expect to be treated?
Doing the same thing over and over when you were shown it doesn't work is a form of insanity.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Consider it a lesson via 2x4 upside the noggin intended to wake up a sleeping student. I had a professor who kept ping-pong balls in his lab coat pocket, and his proficiency at pitching at slumbering students was legendary. No, wait minute - they weren't ping-pong balls, they were pieces of 3/4" diameter chalk. Man, that was a long time ago...

You posted nonsense weeks ago, and it was shown to be unBiblical at that time. Then instead of either supporting the nonsense or learning from the cruel experience your peers dished out (I wasn't alone by any means), you repeated the same nonsense in another place, probably hoping nobody would notice.

Well, how did you expect to be treated?
Doing the same thing over and over when you were shown it doesn't work is a form of insanity.

you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[VictorC]

you're entitled to your opinion.

The idea behind God giving us His oracles was so that we would not need to rely on personal opinion.

Romans 3:1-2
What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.

That was the thought behind my appeal to use a Bible to determine doctrine.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Consider it a lesson via 2x4 upside the noggin intended to wake up a sleeping student. I had a professor who kept ping-pong balls in his lab coat pocket, and his proficiency at pitching at slumbering students was legendary. No, wait minute - they weren't ping-pong balls, they were pieces of 3/4" diameter chalk. Man, that was a long time ago...

You posted nonsense weeks ago, and it was shown to be unBiblical at that time. Then instead of either supporting the nonsense or learning from the cruel experience your peers dished out (I wasn't alone by any means), you repeated the same nonsense in another place, probably hoping nobody would notice.

Well, how did you expect to be treated?
Doing the same thing over and over when you were shown it doesn't work is a form of insanity.

What peers? From what you posted, it seems rather you have elevated your thoughts or your ideas as eminent. Just like anyone who would sling insults to garnish favor over another especially in an attempt to put on a pedestal your own point of view.

You and bugkiller call others “nonsense” and or “cornflake theology” while not being able to defend your own position. This is a topic forum and JohnRabbit has neither resulted in name calling nor called what “you deem as correct” as “bunk”.

Quoting you, “Doing the same thing over and over when you were shown it doesn’t work is a form of insanity. Well, how did you expect to be treated?” Does this render your view on scripture as exact? Considering your position to be exact; albeit, your opinion, from my position it looks like a sinking ship. You boast of your “knowledge” and yet again I will boast of your “unknowing.”

Do you think either position is “Christian?” I should say not, does not even resemble such. So where does edification come, in the face of such controversy? Should we all not consider each other points on the matter and increase? Should we all not contemplate the different positions on our quest to truth? Should we bear in mind when speaking to each other the very words we often quote, “love thy neighbor”?

JohnRabbit will no longer be posting in the CF forums for this very reason. You speak of planting seeds, watering to make it grow, etc…I love Jesus, be like Jesus…etc…hmm? Hypocrites!

 

[VictorC]

What peers? From what you posted, it seems rather you have elevated your thoughts or your ideas as eminent. Just like anyone who would sling insults to garnish favor over another especially in an attempt to put on a pedestal your own point of view.

By "peers", I mean the very members of this forum, inclusive of the GT forum where Johnrabbit and I have had the most conversations. And no, my ideas are not eminent above Scripture - the purpose that at least I ascribe to a discussion forum is for the learning experience it provides. I have learned a great deal here and especially at CARM from others who have walked the path I'm dedicated to for a longer time, and they're very good at pointing out what Scripture teaches. The end goal is the unity of the faith -one faith- entrusted to us by knowing the Author Who gave us the Scriptures to describe that common faith. You seem to have forgotten there are others on this forum for the same reason that I am here.

You and bugkiller call others “nonsense” and or “cornflake theology” while not being able to defend your own position. This is a topic forum and JohnRabbit has neither resulted in name calling nor called what “you deem as correct” as “bunk”.

Quoting you, “Doing the same thing over and over when you were shown it doesn’t work is a form of insanity. Well, how did you expect to be treated?” Does this render your view on scripture as exact? Considering your position to be exact; albeit, your opinion, from my position it looks like a sinking ship. You boast of your “knowledge” and yet again I will boast of your “unknowing.”

Do you think either position is “Christian?” I should say not, does not even resemble such. So where does edification come, in the face of such controversy? Should we all not consider each other points on the matter and increase? Should we all not contemplate the different positions on our quest to truth? Should we bear in mind when speaking to each other the very words we often quote, “love thy neighbor”?

Are you interested in the unity of the faith Jude 1:3 shows reason to contend earnestly for? The Standard is Scripture. The opinions that are at variance to Scripture are the ships that will not float in the long run. I believe this includes an opinion at variance to Scripture you contributed recently.

JohnRabbit will no longer be posting in the CF forums for this very reason. You speak of planting seeds, watering to make it grow, etc…I love Jesus, be like Jesus…etc…hmm? Hypocrites!

Both CARM and CF have revolving doors for those who aren't interested in the learning experience. I am saddened by the news JohnRabbit isn't going to stay with us, but my experience with him has had only bright moments on rare occasions up to a couple of weeks ago. I haven't posted with him since that time, seeing others were engaged in conversations with him. Each member of CF has their own particular writing style, a window into their soul, but from what I remember most of the other members of the forum were making very similar points to JohnRabbit that I was. Maybe a little less blunt while they conversed, and some of the other members are more blunt than I am. Regardless, the message was the same, inspired by the same Author in charge.

Jesus had strong Words to say to those who were devoted to the opinions they were invested in. JohnRabbit returned to opinion regardless of who showed him his variance to Scripture, and he likely didn't care for the responses he got. At one time he called me passionate, but he didn't want to hear what I was passionate about anymore. He preferred his own opinion.

Please convey my regrets to JohnRabbit for me, since it appears you two are in touch with each other. CF always welcomes those dedicated to the learning experience, and I hope I can reflect their desires in my actions. If it is any consolation, CARM is a brutal experience compared to this one, and I had something just over 10,000 posts on their old forum before it closed.

 

[bugkiller]

What peers? From what you posted, it seems rather you have elevated your thoughts or your ideas as eminent. Just like anyone who would sling insults to garnish favor over another especially in an attempt to put on a pedestal your own point of view.

You and bugkiller call others “nonsense” and or “cornflake theology” while not being able to defend your own position. This is a topic forum and JohnRabbit has neither resulted in name calling nor called what “you deem as correct” as “bunk”.

Quoting you, “Doing the same thing over and over when you were shown it doesn’t work is a form of insanity. Well, how did you expect to be treated?” Does this render your view on scripture as exact? Considering your position to be exact; albeit, your opinion, from my position it looks like a sinking ship. You boast of your “knowledge” and yet again I will boast of your “unknowing.”

Do you think either position is “Christian?” I should say not, does not even resemble such. So where does edification come, in the face of such controversy? Should we all not consider each other points on the matter and increase? Should we all not contemplate the different positions on our quest to truth? Should we bear in mind when speaking to each other the very words we often quote, “love thy neighbor”?

JohnRabbit will no longer be posting in the CF forums for this very reason. You speak of planting seeds, watering to make it grow, etc…I love Jesus, be like Jesus…etc…hmm? Hypocrites!

Please show me where I have done as you accuse. I have not once said your theology comes from a cornflake box. I do wonder where it comes from because of what you say. I think it is obvious where your theology comes from. I do not think it is the Bible. Where have I said your theology is nonsense? Toward me I think this is a realization you have come to. I do not think your theology is defendable from the Bible. I am not in the habit of vaildating people. I readily agree with the truth.

I do notice a very low scripture content in most SDA responses. I also note the the usual response is you are wrong with no explaination. Instead of discussing something the subject is usually changed. It really does not much good to ask any questions about anything.

I am very happy that you associate me with VictorC. I think he is pretty solid.

Sorry to hear about JohnRabbit. Wish him well for me.

bugkiller

 

[k4c]

I do notice a very low scripture content in most SDA responses. I also note the the usual response is you are wrong with no explaination. Instead of discussing something the subject is usually changed. It really does not much good to ask any questions about anything.

bugkiller

That's a lie...

 

[YosemiteSam]

Please show me where I have done as you accuse. I have not once said your theology comes from a cornflake box. I do wonder where it comes from because of what you say. I think it is obvious where your theology comes from. I do not think it is the Bible. Where have I said your theology is nonsense? Toward me I think this is a realization you have come to. I do not think your theology is defendable from the Bible. I am not in the habit of vaildating people. I readily agree with the truth.

I do notice a very low scripture content in most SDA responses. I also note the the usual response is you are wrong with no explaination. Instead of discussing something the subject is usually changed. It really does not much good to ask any questions about anything.

I am very happy that you associate me with VictorC. I think he is pretty solid.

Sorry to hear about JohnRabbit. Wish him well for me.

bugkiller

"I think you are locked into a bad or misunderstanding of commandments..." There is your quote...isn't that the same as saying "nonsense"...go back a read some of the post...

you even question whether I keep the Sabbath...then accuse me of being SDA...an accusation though erroneous...So you claim your knowledge comes from the bible and mine you have no idea where it comes from...

you've been doing what for 10 years...copying and pasting?...

you say SDA don't quote many scriptures...i have seen they quoted there position plenty...but you equate this as i know and you don't...even the jews in Christ day didn't know God.

anything else?, no i think i covered it clearly in my previous post.

 

[YosemiteSam]

And this has not been a discussion of scriptures and rarely is, rather a debate who's right and who's wrong

Y

 

[winslow]

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[VictorC]

Please explain how one flees Jerusalem through a closed gate.

Nehemiah 13:19 So it was, at the gates of Jerusalem, as it began to be dark before the Sabbath, that I commanded the gates to be shut, and charged that they must not be opened till after the Sabbath. Then I posted some of my servants at the gates, so that no burdens would be brought in on the Sabbath day.

You need to remember that Jerusalem is the context of the reference you've mentioned, and the Judaism still practiced there still observes the sabbath instead of coming into God's rest.

Jesus was addressing those who believed, not those who rejected Him. If the sabbath was to be abrogated then there would be no need to address them in this way, in fact it would be contradictory

You haven't explained to me how one is expected to flee Jerusalem through a closed gate. The believers in God's redemption aren't the ones in control of the gates they need to flee through, and that is the case even today.