If you want kids to learn creation science, show how you'd teach it.

[AV1611VET]

Only a god would be able to predict that!

"A god" did.

 

[Oonna]

Translation: science isn't qualified to validate Scripture.

And could you please show anything anywhere that says Science is TRYING to validate scripture???

 

[Split Rock]

Translation: science isn't qualified to validate Scripture.

And Scripture isn't qualified to validate Science.

 

[Split Rock]

No --- not expressly --- but Psalm 147 seems to allude to one:

[bible]Psalm 147:15-18[/bible]

No it does not. You took those lines completely out of context. Psalm 147 tells of how God provides for life on earth. He provides food, water, rain, strength and snow. It says nothing about an Ice Age that followed the Flood of Noah.

The bible does not mention any Ice Age or glaciers covering much of the northen hemisphere, either before or after The Flood.

Why doesn't the bible mention such an important event? Because the writers knew nothing about it.

This shows the problems in using the Bible as a history book.

 

[AV1611VET]

No it does not. You took those lines completely out of context. Psalm 147 tells of how God provides for life on earth. He provides food, water, rain, strength and snow. It says nothing about an Ice Age that followed the Flood of Noah.

The bible does not mention any Ice Age or glaciers covering much of the northen hemisphere, either before or after The Flood.

Why doesn't the bible mention such an important event? Because the writers knew nothing about it.

This shows the problems in using the Bible as a history book.

You just said Psalm 147 tells how God provides life on Earth; food, water, rain, strength, and snow. Then you turn around and say there's problems associated with using it as a history book?

Make up your mind.

 

[Beastt]

You're absolutely right. I just happened to lapse into the colloquial there. Whoops.

But you do get my point, right? Do you think it's a good point?

Yes, I do think you make a valid point. I should have focused on that.

 

[Beastt]

Translation: science isn't qualified to validate Scripture.

When making such a statement it's best to remember exactly what science is. It's a methodology for studying and understanding the nature of reality. As such, I must agree, science is no more, or less, qualified to validate scripture than to validate mythology or fairy tales.

 

[AV1611VET]

When making such a statement it's best to remember exactly what science is. It's a methodology for studying and understanding the nature of reality. As such, I must agree, science is no more, or less, qualified to validate scripture than to validate mythology or fairy tales.

As I understand it, science's job is to observe and report facts?

 

[ReverendDG]

You just said Psalm 147 tells how God provides life on Earth; food, water, rain, strength, and snow. Then you turn around and say there's problems associated with using it as a history book?

Make up your mind.

oh come on man be reasonable about this, the authors considered god to be the source of everything, this is not history this is poetry!

for sanities sake go read what psalms IS, its not history its peotry about relationships to god

 

[ReverendDG]

As I understand it, science's job is to observe and report facts?

more than that, part of it is also to come up with how those facts fit togather with other facts, this is a theory, also they come up with how systems work

 

[TheBellman]

As I understand it, science's job is to observe and report facts?

And that's a big part of the problem. You don't know what science's job is.

 

[AV1611VET]

oh come on man be reasonable about this, the authors considered god to be the source of everything, this is not history this is poetry!

I know plenty of authors that consider God to be the Source of everything (or Theory of Everything, as scientists like to call what they're looking for), and they don't consider everything poetic.

...for sanities sake go read what psalms IS, its not history its peotry about relationships to god

I'm very well familiar with Hebrew poetry --- thanks.

 

[AV1611VET]

And that's a big part of the problem. You don't know what science's job is.

What problem, Bellman?

Because I don't have a full understanding of science, I have problems? In that case, we're all in trouble.

 

[Chalnoth]

It's not that you don't have a full understanding, AV1611VET. It's that your understanding, as you have stated it, is completely and utterly wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not that you don't have a full understanding, AV1611VET. It's that your understanding, as you have stated it, is completely and utterly wrong.

Then put me in line with all those scientists who thought Pluto was a planet for 76 years.

Looks like Pluto pulled a good one on them!

 

[Jase]

I'm very well familiar with Hebrew poetry --- thanks.

No you aren't since you've claimed that you don't speak Hebrew, and Hebrew is "unpurified".

 

[Chalnoth]

Then put me in line with all those scientists who thought Pluto was a planet for 76 years.

Looks like Pluto pulled a good one on them!

There was never a firm definition of what was/was not a planet until now.

Most of the astronomers that I had talked to didn't think Pluto qualified as a planet long before this final definition was settled.

Edit: Perhaps more importantly, definitions are not science. Pluto's so-called demotion had nothing at all to do with any new information about Pluto. Pluto was only called a planet for historical reasons.

 

[AV1611VET]

Pluto was only called a planet for historical reasons.

Then why aren't they still calling it a planet?

Is the history lesson over?

 

[TheBellman]

What problem, Bellman?

Because I don't have a full understanding of science, I have problems? In that case, we're all in trouble.

Yes, because you don't understand what science is or what its job is, you have problems. Everyone doesn't have this problem because everyone isn't trying to reorganise science and tell people what qualifies as it. You are.

 

[shernren]

Yup, it doesn't seem like anyone here really knows how to teach creation science. Case closed.