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If you think that by "all" in 2Co 5:10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers and wish to wager on it,

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I am taking wagers here. This OP is NOT about whether by "all" in 2Co 5:10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers. I'm assuming you think Paul did. This post focuses on wagering on what you believe.

Let proposition P1 = By "all" in 2Co 5::10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers.

P2 = not P1.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions? The stronger your belief in a proposition, the higher the weight. Your weighting scheme will determine the betting odds.
 
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For easier reference, I'll include the text, and some preceding texts for context:

1 Cor 5:6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

100% that all included believers and unbelievers.

But I will qualify that there are likely exceptions, for example those born with severe mental deficiencies, those who died in infancy etc etc.

In short, I believe that God and Jesus will judge the entire earth, with all its messy particular situations. I trust He will do the right thing.

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Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions?
Sorry, I wrote 100%, but I should have put "10"

Maybe you meant a weight for each of my exceptions. I would still say a "10" that all will be judged. But for those special cases, God will judge fairly and accordingly.

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Sorry, I wrote 100%, but I should have put "10"

Maybe you meant a weight for each of my exceptions. I would still say a "10" that all will be judged. But for those special cases, God will judge fairly and accordingly.

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P1 = By "all" in 2Co 5::10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers.

P2 = not P1.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions? The stronger your belief in a proposition, the higher the weight. Your weighting scheme will determine the betting odds.
 
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Think all means all. Had wondered how that would happen.

But after seeing some NDE accounts that report a life review with time being different in those experiences might be how it will play out
Let proposition P1 = By "all" in 2Co 5::10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers.

P2 = not P1.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions? The stronger your belief in a proposition, the higher the weight. Your weighting scheme will determine the betting odds.

Please stick to the question of this OP.
 
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I am taking wagers here. This OP is NOT about whether by "all" in 2Co 5:10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers. I'm assuming you think Paul did. This post focuses on wagering on what you believe.

Let proposition P1 = By "all" in 2Co 5::10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers.

P2 = not P1.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions? The stronger your belief in a proposition, the higher the weight. Your weighting scheme will determine the betting odds.
I would say 10. And here is why.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Paul also wrote about this here:

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Notice that Paul supports his claim that all will stand before the judgment seat of Christ by referring to an OT prophecy, which is this one:

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Notice that the ones whose knees will bow include those who "are incensed against him" and on that day of judgment they will kneel and "shall be ashamed".

Also, Matthew 25:31-46 clearly portrays both the saved (believers) and lost (unbelievers) standing before Christ to be judged as well.

How about you? What weight would you put on it?

By the way, if you want more discussion on topics like this then what you normally get, it would be helpful to put your posts in forums that relate to the topic. So, if you wanted more discussion about a topic like this, you should create it in the Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy forum: Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum

Just something to consider.
 
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Stay practical. How much are you willing to bet on this belief of yours?
All the money I have. I'm not going to get any more specific than that, so just tell me what you believe about this already. :)
 
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All the money I have. I'm not going to get any more specific than that, so just tell me what you believe about this already. :)
P1 = By "all" in 2Co 5::10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers.

P2 = not P1.

You have placed a 10 weight on P1 and 0 on P2.

Denote all the money that you have right now as M1 USD.

After the resurrection, you will contribute the equivalent of M1 USD of your heavenly treasure to a money pool. I will contribute 0. We will ask Paul which proposition is closer to the truth: winner takes all. Agree?
 
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P1 = By "all" in 2Co 5::10, Paul included both believers and unbelievers.

P2 = not P1.

You have placed a 10 weight on P1 and 0 on P2.

Denote all the money that you have right now as M1 USD.

After the resurrection, you will contribute the equivalent of M1 USD of your heavenly treasure to a money pool. I will contribute 0. We will ask Paul which proposition is closer to the truth: winner takes all. Agree?
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LOL. What kind of game is this? I contribute all I have and you contribute 0? You've lost me. Can you tell me how you interpret 2 Corinthians 5:10?
 
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The betting odds are in accordance with your weighting scheme on P1 and P2.
I am 100% certain that both believers and unbelievers will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, so do with that info what you will.

I disagree and you can read my post #7 to see why. What is your understanding of Romans 14:10-12 and Matthew 25:31-46? Do you also think those do not say that unbelievers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ? Or are you just saying they are not mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:10?
 
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I am 100% certain that both believers and unbelievers will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, so do with that info what you will.
Are you willing to bet your future treasure on it? Please observe that this is the question of the current OP.
 
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