If you owned a large company.....

[Stinker]

1. Would you hire all workers that could not speak the language of the community in which the company was located because you could pay them so much less?

2. If you could make a greater profit by hiring uneducated illegal immigrants that have great difficulty speaking the community language, and knew you could escape prosecution, would you go ahead and do so?

3. If you could make an even greater profit by closing the home company and re-opening a new one in Communist Red China, would you go ahead and do so?


I have seen all this my community. If these company owners or (top leaders) consider themselves Christians I sure do not see how they could.

 

[ebia]

1. Would you hire all workers that could not speak the language of the community in which the company was located because you could pay them so much less?

If the workers can do the job, why not? Unless you are advocating discriminating against people on the basis of language/

2. If you could make a greater profit by hiring uneducated illegal immigrants that have great difficulty speaking the community language, and knew you could escape prosecution, would you go ahead and do so?

No.

3. If you could make an even greater profit by closing the home company and re-opening a new one in Communist Red China, would you go ahead and do so?

You act like this is clearly an unchristian act. It might be, or it might no be. That would depend on how the company operates in China.

 

[billwald]

These are "have you stopped beating your wife" type of questions. Non sequiturs because the question contains a conclusion that doesn't necessarially logically follow.

I would hire anyone who wanted to work for me at my price if they could do the job.

 

[dunkel]

I'm in business to make money, so I reckon I'd do whatever I had to do to make money. This is not without limits, of course, as I would not murder a competitor, for example. But when the laws of this country make it unprofitable to operate, whereas the laws in another country are conducive to making a good profit, guess which country I'm going to set up shop in.

 

[MrJim]

While not owning a company I have spent many years in the position of hiring and firing. I hired any that would:

1. Show up everyday to work (Attendance)
2. Get along well with others (Attitude)
3. Do a good job (Ability)

Attendance, Attitude, Ability (and you through Triple A was only for cars )

I hired a lot of Mexicans. We checked with an immigration lawyer (that happened to be the owner's sister) from DC and she said we didn't have to prove the paperwork was legal--as long as we had paperwork all was well.

Yeah, I knew some were illegal but we put them to work anyhow. One fellow actually left and returned 3 times with different names each time. The last time he used his real name and is going to become a citizen. He also runs our 2d shift and his drive, skill, and ability is a cornerstone for our company.

Our company employs mostly Hispanics and women over 40. Our worst demographic is white people (male & female) between the aged 17-30. While there are exceptions by and large it is a disappointing group to hire. The Hispanics (mostly Mexican but some Puerto Ricans and Guatemalans) and 40+ ladies come in and work. And if people don't come in and work there is no company.

 

[dunkel]

Before you start tauting Hispanics as the Superworker that lazy white people are not, why don't you wait until the children of that illegal come in for a job? By the second or third generation, hispanic kids are just as lazy and caught up in Pokemon and their Playstations as anyone else. This means that in order to keep staffed up with those Superworker Hispanics, you need to import more and more of them. I'm sure I don't need to go into many economic issues with such a large influx of illegals, do I? There is a difference between trying to be profitable and simply being short-sighted.

 

[qpmomma]

1. Would you hire all workers that could not speak the language of the community in which the company was located because you could pay them so much less?

2. If you could make a greater profit by hiring uneducated illegal immigrants that have great difficulty speaking the community language, and knew you could escape prosecution, would you go ahead and do so?

3. If you could make an even greater profit by closing the home company and re-opening a new one in Communist Red China, would you go ahead and do so?


I have seen all this my community. If these company owners or (top leaders) consider themselves Christians I sure do not see how they could.

1) No. Employees need to be able to communicate effectively with the customers and other employees.

2) No. One word: ILLEGAL

3) Yes, why not?

Christina

 

[Stinker]

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Originally Posted by: Stinker

1. Would you hire all workers that could not speak the language of the community in which the company was located because you could pay them so much less?

2. If you could make a greater profit by hiring uneducated illegal immigrants that have great difficulty speaking the community language, and knew you could escape prosecution, would you go ahead and do so?

3. If you could make an even greater profit by closing the home company and re-opening a new one in Communist Red China, would you go ahead and do so?


I have seen all this my community. If these company owners or (top leaders) consider themselves Christians I sure do not see how they could.

1) No. Employees need to be able to communicate effectively with the customers and other employees.

2) No. One word: ILLEGAL

3) Yes, why not?

Christina

Your answer (and too many other's answers) to question #3 is treasonous.

That brings up a 4th question. Can a Christian commit treason and still remain in good standing with God?

 

[ebia]

Your answer (and too many other's answers) to question #3 is treasonous.

What?

That brings up a 4th question. Can a Christian commit treason and still remain in good standing with God?

Yes. In fact it is sometimes neccessary.

 

[bertie]

next stop zenophobia! everybody on the bandwagon!

 

[qpmomma]

Your answer (and too many other's answers) to question #3 is treasonous.

That brings up a 4th question. Can a Christian commit treason and still remain in good standing with God?

What? Treason? Why do you say treason? I don't think it is.

Christina

 

[Stinker]

Treason- 2: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state (either directly or indirectly) to which the offender owes allegiance .....

Large corporations have been committing treason for a number of years now by moving their manufacturing plants to Communist Red China and a few to other 3rd world countries. Their labor costs are close to free.

Meanwhile, back in the United States, our entire infrastructure has been severely compromised.

Infrastructure- 3: the system of public works of a country, state, or region; also: the resources such as personnel, buildings, equipment (and the most important of all...$$) required for an activity.

 

[JimfromOhio]

We ought to look at God's providential care in the life of our business and government. If you don't like what the Government is doing, then you get involved in the government. Otherwise, submit to the government. As a citizen and as a Christian, (in my opinion) we are to focus on the social, economic, political and military crises which confront our lives require us to reaffirm our view of God as love, and the godly life as the way of peace. To love God is to treat people lovingly. (Leviticus 19:18, I John 3). As Christians, we can commit ourselves to work more actively for public policies that reduce militarism, war, and political and economic inequities. We must work persistently and faithfully for a more peaceful and equitable world community.

Romans 13:1-7 (NIV)
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

 

[qpmomma]

This is going to sound bad, but I see the world as the world, not little countries. I see ppl, not nationalities. They only concern I would have about moving a buisness to a Communist country would be "could I serve God effectively?" But then I think "could I be a good witness?" That's what I thought about when I gave my answer.

Christina

 

[ebia]

Treason- 2: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state (either directly or indirectly) to which the offender owes allegiance .....

Large corporations have been committing treason for a number of years now by moving their manufacturing plants to Communist Red China and a few to other 3rd world countries. Their labor costs are close to free.

Meanwhile, back in the United States, our entire infrastructure has been severely compromised.

Infrastructure- 3: the system of public works of a country, state, or region; also: the resources such as personnel, buildings, equipment (and the most important of all...$$) required for an activity.

Show me where the actions of these companies results in, or is intended to result in, the overthrow of the government of the US.

A choice that may not be in the best interest of your country is not treason. (If it were, it would consititute treason everytime you bought something produced overseas that could be produced locally.)

BTW, I presume the "communist red" bit is a red herring (no pun intended).

 

[Stinker]

Posted by: Stinker

Treason- 2: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state (either directly or indirectly) to which the offender owes allegiance .....

Large corporations have been committing treason for a number of years now by moving their manufacturing plants to Communist Red China and a few to other 3rd world countries. Their labor costs are close to free.

Meanwhile, back in the United States, our entire infrastructure has been severely compromised.

Infrastructure- 3: the system of public works of a country, state, or region; also: the resources such as personnel, buildings, equipment (and the most important of all...$$) required for an activity.

Show me where the actions of these companies results in, or is intended to result in, the overthrow of the government of the US.

A choice that may not be in the best interest of your country is not treason. (If it were, it would consititute treason everytime you bought something produced overseas that could be produced locally.)

BTW, I presume the "communist red" bit is a red herring (no pun intended).

As citizens of the most blessed country the world has ever seen (U.S.A.) these corporate leaders owe their allegiance to this nation. What is happening here in the U.S. now, is the draining of everyone's personal treasury. We have seen our dollar reduced (purposely) to a fraction of what it used to be worth, and service jobs (fast food, Wal Mart, etc.,) as the only jobs available now. Our infrastructure is collapsing (health care, etc.)

 

[ebia]

As citizens of the most blessed country the world has ever seen (U.S.A.) these corporate leaders owe their allegiance to this nation. What is happening here in the U.S. now, is the draining of everyone's personal treasury.

You seem a bit confused:

1. Are you talking about the actions of the corporations, or the actions of the corporate leaders, as they are separate legal entities?
2. The legal obligation - set by government - on corporations is to act in the best interest of their shareholders consistent with their other legal obligations. If that is not in the best interest of your country, the fault lies with the government of the country that sets that obligation.
3. Acting in a way that is not in the best interests of one's country does NOT constitute treason.

We have seen our dollar reduced (purposely) to a fraction of what it used to be worth,

Which costs you on imports and helps your exports, farming, and manufacture.