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Sorry but YHWH did no such thing.This has nothing to do with the day that Yhwh set apart Himself, in the beginning,
nor does Jesus ever tell His disciples to observe a personal sabbath/rest on any other day.
Jesus tells His disciples no such thing, ever.
So what makes you think your copy of the Torah isn't also corrupted?That was true then. Completely in Harmony with All Yhwh's Torah. (as they knew then).
Since man CHANGED the oral teachings, corrupted them, made them OPPOSED TO JESUS, made them OPPOSED TO TORAH,
that no longer holds true
of what is called "the oral teachings". No matter what anyone says, Yhwh says never accept what men say if they don't line up with Torah.
By disobeying Yhwh, that's how men came up with so much corruption not to be believed.
Wonder how many have been deceived by refusing to accept historical facts?Billions upon billions of people have been completely deceived by "historical facts"
most especially
when those "facts" contradict Scripture.
Very close indeed but not totally.Why not?
Why not indeed.
Because it (the whole religious system) is contradictory to Scripture.
i.e. it is not in Harmony with Jesus Life, Purpose, Practice, Salvation, or Plan.
When did this happen?Yet Paul as we know was called and chosen by Yhwh,
and personally taught by Yeshua.
Later, however, came men who did 'change the law' (and the days) - willfully and foolishly being pawns of the prince of the power of the air (the devil).
This
was not unexpected. Yhwh had foretold it, and it happened exactly as Yhwh said .
Why are you attacking religion and not discussing the Scripture?Yes. You were taught this.
Now,
or actually later,
if you are able to check everything in Scripture, as Yhwh says to,
and see why this so-called error-free church
is full of errors
directly contrary to Scripture,
perhaps something good will happen ?
Here are some people from the "error-free" church
to help >
http://www.reachingcatholics.org/rock.html
(yes, catholics reaching catholics)
But not Jesus' one Church which He founded upon Peter and His successors. .
Sure, if Paul think he can change the law I will readily accept he's a false prophet. I try to paint him in a pro-law way, saying he's only speaking against the oral law of the pharisees, but if he really does go against God's actual law I have no choice but to reject him based on Deuteronomy 13:1-5. There's numerous problems with Paul, look here.
http://www.problemswithpaul.com/
2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death , which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness
It is the same LAW but in a different location: In the New Covenant it is not merely external - rather it is "written on the heart" -- that Law that Jeremiah and his readers would have known as the moral Law of God - Law that defines sin as even Romans 2:19-21 instructs -- and so also does 1 John 3:4 demand it.
NEW Covenant "I WILL WRITE MY LAW on their heart and mind" -- Jeremiah 31, Hebrews 8.
Thus ends the fallacy - of "imaginary law to be made up latter - written on stone instead of the Commandments on stone as written by the finger of God".
It is a not a "different Law" in that location -- rather it is a different location for that Law as known to Jeremiah.
Its not just the lack of the Sabbath command in the NT,
but is also about the rest of the NT teaching. We see liberty from the Law in Galatians 5-6,
This Sabbath rest which remains is for the faithful Christians and it is perpetual and it occurs for each faithful Christian after he dies.
Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!” rsv
That is interesting. Same law?
In the Bible - God says "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 - but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle.
In the Bible God says "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- but you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle."
In the NT there is not a single quote of the 3rd commandment - saying not to take God's name in vain -- and you say "The Lord never once commands Sabbath and neither does any apostle." -- as if the Sabbath is like it. But you are wrong in that the Sabbath commandment IS quoted in the NT - in places like Rev 14:7 and in Hebrews 4.
But the 3rd commandment (to not take God's name in vain) is never quoted at all in the NT - which means "nothing" of course since it is merely a "fluff rule" and not actual Bible exegesis that invents the idea of "deleting whatever is not repeating"
Rev 14:17 - -the Sabbath commandment quoted.
Acts 14:15 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
Acts 4:24 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Rev 5:13 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Rev 10:6 - the Sabbath Commandment quoted
Heb 4:9 - the Sabbath Commandment - commanded
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath MADE for MANKIND"
Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship"
Not even ONE example of that for the 3rd commandment to "not take God's name in vain"!!
Sadly you skipped over the details.
Just not in real life. In real life we have "Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:7
And in Rom 8:4-9 it is only the lost that are at war with the Law of God.
Hence 1 John 5:3-4.
1 John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Rev 14 does not call death "the weekly Sabbath" --
And neither does the OT or NT.
And neither do the well-informed pro-sunday scholars.
Rather - Hebrews 4:9 says that the "Sabbath rest that REMAINS for the people of God" is the same one in Psalms 96 at the time of David!!
And neither does the RCC.
God says "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
not "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind die"
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:7
Not only that thought in Hebrews, but the verse that Bob likes to quote in Is66 is followed by all of them going out and walking amongst dead bodies and worms. Not a rosy picture of Heaven huh? The in the preceeding chapter we find Isaiah also referring to the new Earth. there we find him telling us that babies will be born and live out their lives. Man should live to be 100 or more. Bob refuses to discuss those points. He likes to take verses out of context and expect us to kowtow to them.I understand Bob, I just don't see Sabbath commanded.
Its my opinion that Sabbath is shrouded in mystery. Hebrews talks about that mysterious day of rest, and I believe its quite possible that this is the Sabbath that God wants us to observe. I don't see Sabbath directly commanded anywhere and so I must assume that this Sabbath is not an actual day of the week. I don't think the Hebrews had a problem with the traditional OT Sabbath but I believe it may have been another Sabbath instead, and that what Hebrews is teaching, I think.
What we have to remember is that the writer of Hebrews is writing to Jews who already are or were Sabbath observers. So, in that light we will come to a different conclusion that those who use Heb 4 as scripture for new covenant believers to be Sabbath observant. The rest that remains for Christians is Jesus. He told us to come to Him for rest. We do that daily.Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”e]'>[e]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Not only that thought in Hebrews, but the verse that Bob likes to quote in Is66 is followed by all of them going out and walking amongst dead bodies and worms. Not a rosy picture of Heaven huh? The in the preceeding chapter we find Isaiah also referring to the new Earth. there we find him telling us that babies will be born and live out their lives. Man should live to be 100 or more. Bob refuses to discuss those points. He likes to take verses out of context and expect us to kowtow to them.
Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”e]'>[e]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
I understand Bob, I just don't see Sabbath commanded.
Its my opinion that Sabbath is shrouded in mystery.
If the Sabbath truly is still in effect then Paul was an outright liar when he wrote 2Cor3:7-11. He wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary laws .
2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death , which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness
It is the same LAW but in a different location: In the New Covenant it is not merely external - rather it is "written on the heart" -- that Law that Jeremiah and his readers would have known as the moral Law of God - Law that defines sin as even Romans 2:19-21 instructs -- and so also does 1 John 3:4 demand it.
NEW Covenant "I WILL WRITE MY LAW on their heart and mind" -- Jeremiah 31, Hebrews 8.
Thus ends the fallacy - of "imaginary law to be made up latter - written on stone instead of the Commandments on stone as written by the finger of God".
It is a not a "different Law" in that location -- rather it is a different location for that Law as known to Jeremiah.
Indeed same law different location.
And not a "different Law" in that external-on-stone location
Read the New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 - the Law is on the heart and mind.
Read Exodus - where that same Law is on stone.
Not only that thought in Hebrews, but the verse that Bob likes to quote in Is66 is followed by all of them going out and walking amongst dead bodies and worms. Not a rosy picture of Heaven huh?
Jesus does not allow my opinion.
He warns that everyone who trusts "faithful men's teachings" that contradict Scripture
they are cursed, not blessed.
Turn to Jesus to learn the Truth from God's Word.
Not from men.
Blessing, learn from Jesus;
or curse, trusting flesh(men).
BobRyan said: ↑
Eph 6:2 -- have you looked at that text?
I have considered the scriptures over the Sabbath before. I believe that the Sabbath rest is somehow observed by following the spirit. That's what I believe.
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