"If you are not Reformed, your soul is damned"

Abruer17 · Jul 7, 2004

"Real Christians will be Calvinists."
"No genuine Christian will be Arminian."

Comments like this plauged me before I was what I consider truly sola scriptura. The comments, as posted above, spoke a belief that those who are new creatures in Christ will be Reformed. One phrase heard was "It may take some time, but it will only take a little time!"

The questions I want to raise with y'all Reformed folks are these:

1) Do you believe one can be saved and yet an Arminian?
2) If the answer is yes, how should we respond and act towards our brethern who follow those teachings?
3) What beliefs damn your soul? (kinda off topic)

Knight · Jul 7, 2004

Abruer17 said:
"Real Christians will be Calvinists."
"No genuine Christian will be Arminian."

Sounds like hyper-calvinism.....

The questions I want to raise with y'all Reformed folks are these:

1) Do you believe one can be saved and yet an Arminian?

Yes.

2) If the answer is yes, how should we respond and act towards our brethern who follow those teachings?

With grace as brothers and sisters in Christ.

3) What beliefs damn your soul? (kinda off topic)

Trick question. Beliefs do not condemn you. We stand condemned by default in our unregenerate state.

As for doctrines to watch out for:
Any kind of works-based salvation. This would include the extreme arminist position.

Gabriel · Jul 7, 2004

What Knight said.

Bro. Gabriel · Jul 7, 2004

Justification by works or merit, is, indeed, heresy in my opinion. I think we should be willing to firmly but gently let people who have bought into this trash (that rapes God of rightful glory) know where they are wrong and why, for the sake of redemption and God's proper glory.

Knight · Jul 7, 2004

Bro. Gabriel,

Very well said. Allow me to add a little if I may:
Without exception, all the Christian cults and other world religions teach a works-based salvation. Biblical Christianity stands alone in the doctrine of grace.

BBAS 64 · Jul 7, 2004

Knight said:
Sounds like hyper-calvinism.....

Yes.

With grace as brothers and sisters in Christ.

Trick question. Beliefs do not condemn you. We stand condemned by default in our unregenerate state.

As for doctrines to watch out for:
Any kind of works-based salvation. This would include the extreme arminist position.

Good Day, Knight

Ditto!
Bill

Captain_Scott · Jul 7, 2004

what night said...both times

Knight · Jul 7, 2004

Gee, aren't I the popular one today.....

Careful guys or you'll mess up my humility.

Seriously, thanks.

Bro. Gabriel · Jul 7, 2004

Knight, YOU STINK!!!!!

(hope that helps your pride/humilty struggle)

ClementofRome · Jul 7, 2004

Bro. Gabriel said:
Knight, YOU STINK!!!!!

(hope that helps your pride/humilty struggle)

DITTO!

Knight · Jul 7, 2004

Thanks guys......

I'm all choked up now.... *sniff*

ClementofRome · Jul 7, 2004

Knight said:
Thanks guys......

I'm all choked up now.... *sniff*

Seriously, and all joking aside....that was a concise, direct and biblical response to the question, brother.

Knight · Jul 8, 2004

ClementofRome said:
Seriously, and all joking aside....that was a concise, direct and biblical response to the question, brother.

You'll find that I rarely put joking aside. (Trying to debunk the idea of the stick-up-the-rear Calvinist.)

Regardless, thank you for your comments (and humor.)

Bro. Gabriel · Jul 8, 2004

You're almost welcome.

rnmomof7 · Jul 9, 2004

Abruer17 said:
"Real Christians will be Calvinists."
"No genuine Christian will be Arminian."

Comments like this plauged me before I was what I consider truly sola scriptura. The comments, as posted above, spoke a belief that those who are new creatures in Christ will be Reformed. One phrase heard was "It may take some time, but it will only take a little time!"

The questions I want to raise with y'all Reformed folks are these:

1) Do you believe one can be saved and yet an Arminian?
2) If the answer is yes, how should we respond and act towards our brethern who follow those teachings?
3) What beliefs damn your soul? (kinda off topic)

I was saved for 25 years before I became a Calvinist.

I am not saved because I am a Calvinist , I am saved because of the grace and mercy of God .

The fact that many of our beloved Christian brethren do not accept that they repented and believed because God chose them , and not that He chose them because they repented and believed has nothing to do with their salvation

theseed · Jul 9, 2004

1)Doctrine does not save, God does by grace.

3)There is only one belief that damns, and that is the belief that Christ is not sent to save those who believe.

Spurgeon said:
Now, observe, that this "whosoever" makes a grand sweep; for it encircles all degrees of faith. "Whosoever believeth in him." It may be that he has no full assurance; it may be that he has no assurance at all; but if he has faith, true and childlike, by it he shall be saved. Though his faith be so little that I must needs put on my spectacles to see it, yet Christ will see it and reward it. His faith is such a tiny grain of mustard seed that I look and look again but hardly discern it, and yet it brings him eternal life, and it is itself a living thing. The Lord can see within that mustard seed a tree among whose branches the birds of the air shall make their nests.

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/1850.htm

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