If you are more virtuous, then it follows that you will be more moral...

[Neogaia777]

True/False?

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God Bless!

 

[Chany]

True.

At the very least, the virtuous person will seek out proper moral conduct, thus increasing the chances of choosing the correct course of action.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Aren't they just synonyms?

 

[paulm50]

Virtuous

adjective; having or showing high moral standards.
"she considered herself very virtuous because she neither drank nor smoked"
synonyms: righteous, good, moral, morally correct, ethical, upright, upstanding, high-minded, right-minded, right-thinking, principled, exemplary, clean, law-abiding, lawful, irreproachable, blameless, guiltless, unimpeachable, just, honest, honourable, unbribable, incorruptible, anti-corruption;

More archaic
especially of a woman) chaste.
synonyms: virginal, virgin, chaste, maidenly, vestal, celibate, abstinent; pure, pure as the driven snow, sinless, free from sin, flawless, spotless, undefiled, untainted, unsullied, uncorrupted, intact, innocent, demure, modest, decent, seemly, decorous, wholesome
"his virtuous sister had been threatened with seduction"

The problem is defining which one is is right. I've met many high-minded, right-minded, right-thinking, people who are far from virtuous.

And why a women who has sex when she wants to, like a man, is considered more virtuous than a man. Is strange to me.

 

[Neogaia777]

But, if we just concentrate on the virtues and try and adopt them into our personalities, then morality will follow right...?

List of virtues,

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/things-to-ask-for-a-prayer-can-anyone.7832889/

God Bless!

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

That depends on who thinks you are virtuous. So people think very odd behaviors have a virtue of their own.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Virtuous
The problem is defining which one is is right. I've met many high-minded, right-minded, right-thinking, people who are far from virtuous.

Thank you for this!

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Weren't the Christian marytyrs vituous, but regarded as immoral?

 

[Eudaimonist]

If you are virtuous in the Aristotelian sense, that means that you have elements of character, combined with practical reasoning abilities, that lead to actions that are appropriate to the circumstances (neither "too much", nor "too little", but "just right").

Whether or not this is "moral" depends on just what you mean by that term. If moral means doing what you ought to do, then it very well might be moral most or all of the time, depending on the quality of your reasoning.

If "moral" simply means following the commonly accepted rules of one's culture, it might not be moral. A virtuous man or woman might run against the social grain. Socrates was regarded as one of the most virtuous men in history, but he was accused of the immorality of impiety and corrupting the youth of Athens.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Neogaia777]

That depends on who thinks you are virtuous. So people think very odd behaviors have a virtue of their own.

I'm not talking about what other people "think", but what you actually "are" at heart, soul, essence.

Yes sometimes other people, especially if you go against the grain or are ahead of your time, some others will label you badly, "immoral", but that's because those other people are wrong, when you are actually highly moral due to the virtues you value...

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I'm not talking about what other people "think", but what you actually "are" at heart, soul, essence.

Yes sometimes other people, especially if you go against the grain or are ahead of your time, some others will label you badly, "immoral", but that's because those other people are wrong, when you are actually highly moral due to the virtues you value...

Maybe it would be better if you would define virtuous as to the actions necessary to be virtuous.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Maybe it would be better if you would define virtuous as to the actions necessary to be virtuous.

That would be a circular definition.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I am not sure about virtue versus vice.

I dont quite like the sound of virtue, when specifically issues as a set of pre-packaged traits we all have to posess.

Like bravery, justice etc. Ok, its good to have interpersonal justice, theres no denying that. But part of a humanist ethic is "celebrating the differences" - for instance I like to see people with really extravagent, artistic make up. But not everyone. I am not sure you can capture the merits of individuality, with a generalised set of standards and preconditions.

I conceive morality more as "rational attraction to being", which is a general concept which includes a vast range of possibilities. Whereas a list of virtues may offer a bit more guidance, obviously, its maybe a paradoxical situation. We dont want everyone smiling the same smile on songs of praise. Do we?

 

[Eudaimonist]

am not sure you can capture the merits of individuality, with a generalised set of standards and preconditions.

In neo-Aristotelian philosophy, you will find talk about how different individuals might have different needs for virtues, and might have to prioritize their use differently.

Watch this video, especially the first thirteen minutes.

eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

~2 Peter 1:2-8~
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what Peter says about pursuing righteousness. The clear as crystal, no question about it, blunt as an atom bomb, as frank as Frankenstein, pure and simple plain ordinance of virtue altogether as the Bible holds all wrapped up in a passage.

The standard of pure virtue isn't based on man's conception. If it does not lead you to Christ then there is something flawed in one's virtue.
There's simply no middle ground in the Bible. If there were, then Christ would have hardly been needed. I think this is something starting to be forgotten among Christians, and at times it's even rejected in favor of being seen as righteous among unbelievers.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

That would be a circular definition.


eudaimonia,

Mark

No that would tell people what virtuious meqans to you, personally. Some people think screwing the hell out of people is a good business practice . That make that practice a virtue of business. Their is also the notion that a women who is a virgin is vituious and a women who sleeps around is a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], no matter how much she takes care of the poor and the sick.Nobody said anything about what is considered a virtue, but they are equating such things with Morales. . To me, this is a lopsided topic with no inclusiveness other than the religious notion of virtue.

 

[Gottservant]

True/False?

Comments?

God Bless!

I believe qualified correctly, this is true if stated "If you are more virtuous and die, having believed in God, it follows you will like the idea of being more moral (as a choice, in principle _____)"

Given that, the initial determination to be virtuous is at least spiritually related to the greater consequence (____ ____ of desiring more of the spirit remaining, proceeding from or returning to God ____ at the point of realization that it is "what was at least perceived, at the cross _____ _____ ____" (in the beginning _____ ____ ____ ____))

 

[Chad Farwell]

Having high moral standards doesn't necessarily mean those morals are in line with societys

 

[Eudaimonist]

Some people think screwing the hell out of people is a good business practice . That make that practice a virtue of business.

That "some people think" that screwing other people is a good business practice does not make that a virtue of business.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Ana the Ist]

I would say it depends on the virtue and circumstances surrounding it.