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If we`re really created?

Discussion in 'Exploring Christianity' started by Pulchra, Sep 29, 2020.

  1. Pulchra

    Pulchra Active Member

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    Think about it, God created us, but with a lower intelligence so every now and then we make wars, I know we have a free will, but why the lower intelligence, I mean why not just make us a little more intelligence when he`s creating us anyways?
     
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  2. Friedrich Rubinstein

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    Do you really think that it is missing intelligence that results in war? Every human being will come to the conclusion that war is senseless, destructive and causing needless suffering when thinking about it.
    But yet people start wars. Not because of too little intelligence but because of pride, greed, hate, envy and the like.
     
  3. com7fy8

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    Little children can know better. So, then, why do fully grown adults fight? Ones can fall in love but then fight and even hurt each other. And children can want to have fun, but then they are screaming and crying and even become combative.

    This is not fun; why do you do that if you want fun?? That indeed is not smart. People have intelligence, but that is not intelligent. You can have a very intelligently designed computer, but one person can use it for violent videos, while another uses the same intelligent computer for loving. Intelligence is a tool, then, I consider.

    Nazi Germany used intelligence, but not to do what is smart. And we can use our intelligence to do what is creative to love others. But we need how God makes us creative, so that we, also, do not give in to foolish demands and dictatorial drives for pleasures.


    "Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your
    desires for pleasure that war in your members?" (James 4:1)

    Young ones might then grow up and have more power to get what they want. And they have pleasures which are a treasure.

    And if anyone effectively interferes with us getting a pleasure which is a treasure, then is when any of us can get violent, emotionally and physically and vocally. If we treasure certain pleasures, our personalities can develop habits of reacting badly when people mess with our pleasures which are a treasure, and this can be confused with medical mental health problems. The true problem can be how one has had treasure pleasures > people's preference is for pleasure, instead of making God and His way of loving our treasure, and developing in our personality of Jesus accordingly.

    We might be able to see how people have a preference for pleasure, and their character for this is weak so they can break down in various emotional trouble, in their weakness for treasure pleasures. Weakness for foolish pleasure is also weakness for deep suffering and pain and bad reacting about not getting their treasured pleasure. So, it is a problem not of how much intelligence a person has, but how the character of a person's heart is >

    "'For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.'" (Matthew 6:21)

    So, we are wise not to treasure whatever is inferior and not God's kingdom.

    Or else, we can be choked from loving. Jesus tells us in His parable about the sower how ones in thorns are
    "choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life," in Luke 8:7&14.
     
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  4. TzephanYahu

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    Shalom @Pulchra

    Lower intelligence doesn't equal anger and war. In fact, one could argue the opposite with psychological analysis as backing.

    But what is it you are thinking about here really? And what is the desire masked by your question?

    Be careful where this train of thought may lead you my friend, as you're facing the same dilemma as Eve in the Garden of Eden - wanting to be as God.

    And so what if He has made our intelligence lower? If you were programming a character in a video game, do you think you could make him as intelligent as you, the designer? But even if you could, would you?

    Satan was said to be one of the most highest angels at the beginning. He fell in love with his power, beauty and intelligence and thought that he could rule better than his Creator. Pride got the best of him. Rather than being grateful for the wondrous gifts that Yahweh bestowed him with, he instead thought enviously 'I deserve more. I could do better than Him'.

    Therefore be careful of what you're subconscious goals are. The intelligence you have is perfectly sufficient to live this life peacefully, lovingly and creatively.

    If you crave more, then study and hone your intellect. But if you crave to be as smart as the Creator, you'll never get there. And physically your earthly mind couldn't contain a fraction of the information and computational power of the Creator's mind. You're simply not equipped with the "hardware".

    But that's okay. What we have is perfectly sufficient to do amazing things. And good things at that. Lower intelligence doesn't equal sin. Some of the most evil men in history have been the among the smartest.

    I'm writing this quickly due to time constraints, so please forgive me if this comes across a bit abrupt. I mean you no ill will my friend. :)

    Love & Shalom
     
  5. Tolworth John

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    How much intelligence does it take to realise nothing causes nothing and that as the universe has a begining, something had to have caused it?

    Think on that, it leads to the realisation that atheism is untenable as is agnosticism.
     
  6. Pulchra

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    Interesting point
     
  7. Clizby WampusCat

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    This is a strawman. Most atheists and scientists believe the universe had a cause, they just do not have sufficient evidence to conclude what that cause was. When they talk about nothing they are only hypothesizing, they are not saying we believe everything came from nothing. It is not a knowledge claim.
     
  8. Sketcher

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    Given the nature of man that Christianity teaches (and that I believe is spot-on), that would make us more dangerous, not less. The people who ran Unit 731 for instance, were quite intelligent. Christianity also believes that Satan himself is far more intelligent than man, so mere intelligence is not an indicator of moral superiority.
     
  9. Unqualified

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    Gods intelligence is in mercy grace and peace too. He gave these things to us. War is from the works of the flesh. It is wrong God did not teach us this. It is a fallen world and intelligence is used for both good and evil. We have all the intelligence we need for our world and we are destroying it for profit. God loves us He didn’t give us a handicap. We are fearfully and wonderfully made’. It is a fallen world with the addition of sin by Adam and Eve. Agnostics need proof and it is slowly coming . But you still have to take the leap of faith. God is with us but above all this. Seek completeness in Him. Seek peace in Him. Then the worlds cares will seem secondary, and praising God for what He has done will be first.
    Thanks.
     
  10. Victor in Christ

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    read the Book of Job, when God came to him in a whirlwind he still wanted to KNOW the beginning of creation. He was still a stubborn old Job even after the young and wise Elihu taught him. Job had to learn a valuable lesson, it wasn't for him to know the beginnings of creation as he was created by God. He humbled himself and only then did God bless him and he, i, and others will know everything when we get to heaven and behold the Lord Jesus Christ (the Lamb of God) face to face.

    There's only one way to Heaven, from the depths of your heart admitting your a sinner and accepting Christ into your heart......then you will grow as a Christian.........
     
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  11. Pulchra

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    Interesting read
     
  12. Drifter91

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    perhaps he wants us to elevate and struggle from the ground up...with the nature of the difficulty in mind so we have even struggling entireties in power pathways recorded in our history.
     
  13. Pulchra

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    I still find it a little strange, people actually die because of many not having enough intelligence to have peace
     
  14. Drifter91

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    my guess is he wants us to nearly want everything. with us being with our families being with such comforts...but what if he wanted us to know the higher mysteries of labels...like royalty...if everything was just peace, there would be no royalty. i agree we need to find the higher mysteries of a peaceful life too...well, perhaps royalty would still be around...but then again perhaps not...
    even being an important arrival destination point in your lineage or like me with mine...
    to make us have a little sense of what he wants to make sure is clear...for with shining hope people, i mean i know that's not humble entireties...but perhaps he wants us to come to us in realization that there are many categories in life that should only be researched...besides, what if heaven was the only thing left?
    i've found christians with contrasting beliefs in afterlife...heard rumors of anyways of such. perhaps it is true...so that when we get there in heaven, we will also know what relief means.
    i guess what i'm saying is that he probably wants us to branch out in the higher mysteries of labels.
    perhaps he wants our victory to be sweet as heaven in the our afterlife. crossing over that line being that much more grateful.
     
  15. Tolworth John

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    A straw man is a partial argument put up to be knocked down.
    Everything you said is in my post.
    The universe has a begining, there is no scientific evidence for an explanation,. This moves the argument into the realm of philosophy where arguments for a unknown creator can be examined.
    It is the argument that materialism is all there is, that makes atheism unrealistic.
     
  16. Pulchra

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    Perhaps a very good guess, indeed
     
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