If we accept evolution, then where will we get our morality?

[sandybay]

How do evolutionists plan to live in such a Godless world?

There are countries all over the world where people are doing just that and living very good lives while doing it.

The US is bottom of all the good surveys and top of all the bad surveys and that's with God on it's side.

 

[AV1611VET]

The US is bottom of all the good surveys and top of all the bad surveys and that's with God on it's side.

Israel went into a diaspora with God on its side -- twice.

What's your point?

 

[Loudmouth]

Obviously, once evolution is accepted, bibles will be seized and taken from us.

Most christians already accept the theory of evolution. You might as well argue that accepting the idea of the Earth moving about the Sun would require us to throw away Bibles.

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

Also, you can use your evolved abilities of reason and empathy to arrive at moral codes.

Then after that happens, people won't be able to read the bible to know how to behave properly, because the bible is the book that taught us it's not good to live in a society where all court cases are settled via gladiatorial combat.

People were behaving properly in peaceful socieites before the Bible was written. The Bible is an expression of the moral code that already exists within humanity. The Bible did not create morality. Morality created the Bible.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's enough.

Anything that can get the attention of scientists (who allegedly are "morally neutral" on Biblical issues) enough to want them removed from public property is sufficient, as far as I'm concerned.

It isn't scientists who are asking for biblical iconography to be removed from public spaces, but butthurt people who apparently are offended by it.

 

[Loudmouth]

40% of the Ten Commandments, specifically the first four, deal with morals.

Then it is hardly evolution or atheism that are at fault. Creationists who believe in a different god, worship a different god, or worship idols as part of their faith are being immoral according to what you are saying. If we accept the Bible, does this mean that we have to take temples away from Hindus?

 

[AV1611VET]

It isn't scientists who are asking for biblical iconography to be removed from public spaces,

Oh, of course not!

They're exempt from such actions, aren't they?

I can see it now -- the ultimate test to see if someone is a real scientist or not: "What is your opinion of the Ten Commandments being displayed on a courthouse lawn?"

... but butthurt people who apparently are offended by it.

Scientists don't have derrières?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Oh, of course not!

They're exempt from such actions, aren't they?

I can see it now -- the ultimate test to see if someone is a real scientist or not: "What is your opinion of the Ten Commandments being displayed on a courthouse lawn?"

Scientists don't have derrières?

I am being serious AV, most of the people who throw hissy fits about that stuff have no lives. Scientists are too busy to be protesting the statue that has a biblical quote in front of the town hall.

 

[dad]

The US is bottom of all the good surveys and top of all the bad surveys and that's with God on it's side.

?? The US is a country with antiChrist leadership right now, and is engaged in terrorism (drones). God is not on it's side as a nation. That tired old outdated passe myth really should be put to rest.

 

[dad]

Then it is hardly evolution or atheism that are at fault. Creationists who believe in a different god, worship a different god, or worship idols as part of their faith are being immoral according to what you are saying. If we accept the Bible, does this mean that we have to take temples away from Hindus?

If you accept God as a nation? Good luck with that. There will be no temples to demons in heaven or the world coming, that is for absolute certain.

 

[PsychoSarah]

?? The US is a country with antiChrist leadership right now, and is engaged in terrorism (drones). God is not on it's side as a nation. That tired old outdated passe myth really should be put to rest.

-_- I am pretty sure nearly every US president gets accused of being the antichrist. Sorry, but disagreeing with you doesn't make someone hellspawn.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If you accept God as a nation? Good luck with that. There will be no temples to demons in heaven or the world coming, that is for absolute certain.

Counter idea, couldn't, from your perspective, the gods of other religions actually be the christian god as interpreted by other people? That or angels which aren't necessarily fallen? Why do they have to be demons?

 

[Wryetui]

Counter idea, couldn't, from your perspective, the gods of other religions actually be the christian god as interpreted by other people? That or angels which aren't necessarily fallen? Why do they have to be demons?

Psalm 96:

4 For the Lord is great and greatly to be praised;
He is to be feared above all gods.
5 For all the gods of the peoples are idols,
But the Lord made the heavens.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Psalm 96:

4 For the Lord is great and greatly to be praised;
He is to be feared above all gods.
5 For all the gods of the peoples are idols,
But the Lord made the heavens.

Idol does not equal demon.

 

[dad]

Counter idea, couldn't, from your perspective, the gods of other religions actually be the christian god as interpreted by other people?

There is one way to tell real fast. Do they confess Jesus came in the flesh and was God, and is the only way to the Father?

If not they are NOT of God.

That or angels which aren't necessarily fallen?

No. The angels of God would be very very clear!

Why do they have to be demons?

They have to be something. Either they are good spirits or bad. If they are good they must confess the One who the Father sent. The long foretold Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

 

[dad]

-_- I am pretty sure nearly every US president gets accused of being the antichrist. Sorry, but disagreeing with you doesn't make someone hellspawn.

Not the AntiChrist. Just anti Christ. THE AntiChrist may be here but will not be revealed...out of the closet as it were...till the time.

 

[PsychoSarah]

There is one way to tell real fast. Do they confess Jesus came in the flesh and was God, and is the only way to the Father?

If not they are NOT of God.



No. The angels of God would be very very clear!
They have to be something. Either they are good spirits or bad. If they are good they must confess the One who the Father sent. The long foretold Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

No, but neither do Jewish people, and they definitely worship an earlier ideal of the same deity that you do. Additionally, if god can be interpreted differently, then why not Jesus? Many religions have figures that are resurrected, healed the sick, etc.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Not the AntiChrist. Just anti Christ. THE AntiChrist may be here but will not be revealed...out of the closet as it were...till the time.

How about anti-Christ for when you aren't talking about the spawn of hell? Just for the sake of clarity.

But my statement still works for many presidents.

 

[JacksBratt]

I am open and respectful to all beliefs and ideas. That's why, if someone genuinely wants to live in a world where every morning you need to dodge Molotov cocktails on the way to work while a band of mutants with Mohawks chase you in a jeep with the intention of capturing you and selling you on the human slave market, then that is their right, and I respect their opinion.

But what about the rest of us? What about those of us who still want to live in a society where murder, theft, and jaywalking is illegal?

If we accept the theory of evolution, then how will we be able to live as a peaceful society of people? Obviously, once evolution is accepted, bibles will be seized and taken from us. Then after that happens, people won't be able to read the bible to know how to behave properly, because the bible is the book that taught us it's not good to live in a society where all court cases are settled via gladiatorial combat.

How do evolutionists plan to live in such a Godless world?

Is it really worth the cost? If so, then I hope you know how to wield an axe or a broadsword, because that's exactly the kind of thing you'll need after the atheists rediscover the use of black magic and create an army of unicorn pirates.

I hear what you are saying and I agree that removing the Bible removes any foundation for moral action and consequence.

However, may I add another conflict that this will cause?

This would be the inner conflict within the person. The conflict between the morals that are hard wired into our soul and mind by God. God says that nobody will have an excuse and one of the reasons is that all humans know deep down, the difference between right and wrong. It is imprinted in us by our creator.

Imagine a world where the benchmark for right and wrong is floating around, never a solid foundation. Morals will be dictated by the governing body while your inner mind and soul tells you that there is something off.

This is already starting with many of the laws of today. I'm not stating them verbatim as they will hijack this thread. We all know that this world is going down the wrong ethical path and moral road, all under the guise of any means to an end.

Without the Bible and it's teaching people will still know something is wrong but be without any evidence to back it up other than "it just feels wrong in my heart", which is never enough.

 

[dad]

How about anti-Christ for when you aren't talking about the spawn of hell? Just for the sake of clarity.

I'll try to remember that one.

But my statement still works for many presidents.

Poes and generals and kinds and etc too. I know. However, the marks of being anti Christ are pretty clear.

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[PsychoSarah]

This would be the inner conflict within the person. The conflict between the morals that are hard wired into our soul and mind by God. God says that nobody will have an excuse and one of the reasons is that all humans know deep down, the difference between right and wrong. It is imprinted in us by our creator.

Imagine a world where the benchmark for right and wrong is floating around, never a solid foundation. Morals will be dictated by the governing body while your inner mind and soul tells you that there is something off.

This is already starting with many of the laws of today. I'm not stating them verbatim as they will hijack this thread. We all know that this world is going down the wrong ethical path and moral road, all under the guise of any means to an end.

Without the Bible and it's teaching people will still know something is wrong but be without any evidence to back it up other than "it just feels wrong in my heart", which is never enough.

This is actually incorrect. A number of mental disorders are associated with or even distinguished by a lack of ability to tell right from wrong.

That pretty much is our world right now, and yes, it creates a lot of chaos. No one has an identical sense of morality to any other person, regardless as to beliefs or upbringing.

Meh, I would say our world is reaching a crossroads where key decisions will lead us one way or another, but I wouldn't say we are already on the path to destruction with no turning back.

Seeing as the bible can be inconsistent on what is right and what is wrong, it doesn't really help. Worse, people have used it to justify atrocities. But you seem to be forgetting something very important: civilization predates the bible by more than a thousand years.