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You and your distant cousins and monkeys came from a common ancestor.
For the purpose of the explanation I was trying to give you, I will opt for number one. According to the dictionary you cited, it is the most common usage in any case.Dictionary
cous·in
ˈkəz(ə)n/
noun
noun: cousin; plural noun: cousins; noun: first cousin; plural noun: first cousins
- a child of one's uncle or aunt.
- a person belonging to the same extended family.
- a thing related or analogous to another.
"the new motorbikes are not proving as popular as their four-wheeled cousins"- a person of a kindred culture, race, or nation.
"the Russians and their Slavic cousins"- historical
a title formerly used by a sovereign in addressing another sovereign or a noble of their own country.
Pretty broad term, but I already knew that...define it however it helps you feel right.
Hope that helps.
We did NOT come from monkeys.Did monkeys come before me, somewhere in between me and that "common ancestor"?
I mean, after all the defense from the offended offense, did all that argument actually add up to "We did come from monkeys"?
Ya' know, I *thought* I'd heard something like that before.
What a hoot. Pays to give them just enough rope..
Let us again return to definition number one in your dictionary for cousin. I don't, of course, know your family situation, but let us suppose that your grandfather had a brother, and that brother had a son, let's call the son "George." Now, if George has a son, that person would be your cousin--your second cousin, in customary usage. To interject a little humor, we will call your second cousin "Monkey," just for fun.Did monkeys come before me, somewhere in between me and that "common ancestor"?
I mean, after all the defense from the offended offense, did all that argument actually add up to "We did come from monkeys"?
Ya' know, I *thought* I'd heard something like that before.
What a hoot. Pays to give them just enough rope..
It doesn't work that way. Just because you say it has a meaning doesn't mean it does. We don't work on "it looks like that." There is no such thing as a "kind" and no matter how much you post about it and wave your arms and quote the Bible it doesn't make it so.Sure there is. You are a Human kind. I know this because only Humans (descendants of Adam) have inherited his superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 ONLY Humans post because only Humans have the necessary level of intelligence to post.
Let us again return to definition number one in your dictionary for cousin. I don't, of course, know your family situation, but let us suppose that your grandfather had a brother, and that brother had a son, let's call the son "George." Now, if George has a son, that person would be your cousin--your second cousin, in customary usage. To interject a little humor, we will call your second cousin "Monkey," just for fun.
Note that you and Monkey have a common ancestor. That common ancestor is the father of your grandpa and his brother; your great-grandfather, so called.
So did your second cousin Monkey come before you, somewhere between you and that common ancestor?
You don't get to specify what answers we can give you when you don't like what answers you get. I'll say it again, we did not evolve from monkeys. A monkey is a specific creature that is alive today. We share an ancestor with monkeys and that is a long time ago. There are two groups of monkeys, New World Monkeys and Old World Monkeys. We are related to both.I got the common ancestor thing, nothing new, how bout answering the questions direct, like neither you or Phred did.
You don't get what a common ancestor is. There isn't just one. There's a common ancestor, for example, between Chimps and Humans. There's a common ancestor between Chimps, Humans and Gorillas. At one time there were no humans, no chimps, no gorillas. There was just one species. It evolved into all three eventually. Stop trying to turn your ignorance into a failing of science.That is unless some clown wants to try to prove we didn't descend from the monkey that may have descended somewhere in between the CA and ourselves, like it used to be until; they changed it. Yes, I remember, do you?
You know what I think? I think what we have here is another creationist playing games in order to try and befuddle or otherwise screw with people because his underlying case can't stand scrutiny. Simply standing up and saying that the Bible is true and that's that. Well, that's not very scientific now is it? And even if I stood up and said what you "think" I said would that change science? No. It wouldn't. It would just mean I was wrong. So stop being intellectually dishonest. You know what you're doing.Tell you what I think happened, y'all claimed we came from the monkey, couldn't handle the fallout/jokes, then eased us alongside the monkey, figuring they could come up with a reason for that claim just as easily as any other they have dreamed up to date, while in reality it's something you have no more reason to belief happened than the first belief.
Yeah, that's what I think.
Please folks, never take the fact that I am humoring them as any indication I buy what they are peddling.
yes, I agree. I think sometimes it just confuses people when we say we are not descended from monkeys. We are not descended from modern monkeys, true. But we are descended from animals that, if alive today, would probably be classed as monkeys.To borrow a thought from G.G. Simpson, if we could actually meet some of the common ancestors that we share with monkeys, what would we call them? Would we call them monkeys, apes, prosimians, or something else?
Of course, I know that we are not descended from any extant species of monkey. However, if I saw this animal - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegpyptopithecus - in a zoo I should call it a monkey.
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You don't get to specify what answers we can give you when you don't like what answers you get. I'll say it again, we did not evolve from monkeys. A monkey is a specific creature that is alive today. We share an ancestor with monkeys and that is a long time ago. There are two groups of monkeys, New World Monkeys and Old World Monkeys. We are related to both.
You don't get what a common ancestor is. There isn't just one. There's a common ancestor, for example, between Chimps and Humans. There's a common ancestor between Chimps, Humans and Gorillas. At one time there were no humans, no chimps, no gorillas. There was just one species. It evolved into all three eventually. Stop trying to turn your ignorance into a failing of science.
You know what I think? I think what we have here is another creationist playing games in order to try and befuddle or otherwise screw with people because his underlying case can't stand scrutiny. Simply standing up and saying that the Bible is true and that's that. Well, that's not very scientific now is it? And even if I stood up and said what you "think" I said would that change science? No. It wouldn't. It would just mean I was wrong. So stop being intellectually dishonest. You know what you're doing.
dogs and cats belong to a different family.
actually if we assume the difference between a cat and a dog is about 10^6 bases, all we need is about 10^6 mutations or about 10^4 generations to change a cat into a dog. so even according to evolution a cat can evolve into a dog basically .
God defines kinds as temporary or His kinds and eternal kinds created to live forever (Their kinds) in Heaven. The invisible Spirit (Trinity) speaks and Lord God/Jesus does the actual forming or shaping physically what Science refers to as common ancestors. The best example is Adam, made by Lord God on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 and Adam's "creation in God's Image" by God (Trinity) on the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 5:1-2
What exactly was trollish about that?
I think I would look into what a troll actually is if I were you. Someone who states an obvious fact does not equate to that.
Fact is you didn't refute because there was none.
actually if we assume the difference between a cat and a dog is about 10^6 bases, all we need is about 10^6 mutations or about 10^4 generations to change a cat into a dog
. so even according to evolution a cat can evolve into a dog basically .
Now now, if you really wanted to inject some humor you would call *your* niece/nephew the monkey.
I got the common ancestor thing, nothing new, how bout answering the questions direct, like neither you or Phred did.
That is unless some clown wants to try to prove we didn't descend from the monkey that may have descended somewhere in between the CA and ourselves, like it used to be, at least until they changed it. Yes, I remember, do you?
Tell you what I think happened, y'all claimed we came from the monkey, couldn't handle the fallout/jokes, then eased us alongside the monkey, figuring they could come up with a reason for that claim just as easily as any other they have dreamed up to date, while in reality it's something you have no more reason to belief happened than the first belief.
Yeah, that's what I think.
And MY case can't stand the scrutiny? Now that's my friend is a real riot, coming from someone who offers no proof for their own case. You can't even present proof TO scrutinize, just talk.
again: if we will change about million bases at once we will get a dog genome out from a cat genome. right?It doesn't matter. Dogs and cats are on different branches of the evolutionary tree.
In evolution, species never jump branches.
No.
No wonder you have so much trouble comprehending the most basic things, if you actually think that evolution allows for cats to produce dogs.
It doesn't work that way. Just because you say it has a meaning doesn't mean it does. We don't work on "it looks like that." There is no such thing as a "kind" and no matter how much you post about it and wave your arms and quote the Bible it doesn't make it so.
Example. You think that you can run around putting all the animals into little groups called kinds. You have human kinds. Cat kinds. Dog kinds. Duck kinds. So what kind of creature is this:
You don't get what a common ancestor is. There isn't just one. There's a common ancestor, for example, between Chimps and Humans. There's a common ancestor between Chimps, Humans and Gorillas. At one time there were no humans, no chimps, no gorillas. There was just one species. It evolved into all three eventually. Stop trying to turn your ignorance into a failing of science.
Your theology is weird even by creationist standards. Most creationists assert Adam wasn't created until day 6.
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