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If the universe is <10,000 old....
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No one can explain in an evolutionary/ uniformitarianism framework the presence of radio polonium artifacts inside rocks.
Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates
If your interested in having your faith in the scientific oligarchy challenged watch "Kary Mullis interview" on youtube, the one that is 18.32 long.
No comment on fish not sure what the meteorology one was?
Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates
If your interested in having your faith in the scientific oligarchy challenged watch "Kary Mullis interview" on youtube, the one that is 18.32 long.
No comment on fish not sure what the meteorology one was?
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Keachian
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I think you'd do better asking a geologist rather than a computer scientist
I can't seem to find it, you still seem to be operating under the false assumption that I have faith in science, I don't, I accept science, there is a difference. I have faith in God.
This one:
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Metal Minister
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jinx25 said:
You should see the talkrorigins "refutation" of polonium halos! It's one ad hominem attack after another without refuting a single thing!
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lol im reading that now too yep 
Just type in "Kary Mullis" and scroll down.
Originally God, i suppose natural cause and effect laws have been set in motion so as to sustain creation though at anytime they are able to be violated by the creator of creation as one may witness in the instances of miracles.
Just type in "Kary Mullis" and scroll down.
Originally God, i suppose natural cause and effect laws have been set in motion so as to sustain creation though at anytime they are able to be violated by the creator of creation as one may witness in the instances of miracles.
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Keachian
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this one?
Nobel Prize Winner Challenges The Myths About Aids - YouTube
The problem is that evolution is different to the HIV/AIDS problem that he is talking about. If I were to start an essay on evolution I can cite at least Darwin's Origin of Species, Mendel's Versuche über Pflanzenhybriden, and Linnaeus' Philosophica Botanica, to start a discussion of the history and development of the theory, Mullis' problem is that there are no papers on the link between the Human Immunodeficiency Virus and the development of Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome in patients. The same cannot be said about evolution.
Oh and by the way:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993Sci...260.1273W
Well then that's your answer to your question of
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CAUSE God, creation/laws is/are the effect.
I just thought if anyone wanted their faith in the scientific oligarchy challenged it may do it.
Again go to NCBI and find these alleged papers on evolution.
I just thought if anyone wanted their faith in the scientific oligarchy challenged it may do it.
Again go to NCBI and find these alleged papers on evolution.
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Keachian
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What's your point?
Well when you post something that is clearly not comparable then prepare to be called out on it.
I assume you can debase yourself and this article from NewScientist will do:
Introduction: Evolution - life - 04 September 2006 - New Scientist
You could also plumb the depths of this Journal:
Evolution - Wiley Online Library
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Keachian
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This paper may be along the lines of what you are looking for,
THE QTN PROGRAM AND THE ALLELES THAT MATTER FOR EVOLUTION: ALL THAT'S GOLD DOES NOT GLITTER - Rockman - 2011 - Evolution - Wiley Online Library
We must remember though that the famous quote of Newton holds throughout science:
If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants.
Only now we're standing on his shoulders, Einstein's, Darwin's, Mendel's, Lemaitre's and so on.
THE QTN PROGRAM AND THE ALLELES THAT MATTER FOR EVOLUTION: ALL THAT'S GOLD DOES NOT GLITTER - Rockman - 2011 - Evolution - Wiley Online Library
We must remember though that the famous quote of Newton holds throughout science:
If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants.
Only now we're standing on his shoulders, Einstein's, Darwin's, Mendel's, Lemaitre's and so on.
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I mean trace the effects of our laws of nature/creation back to the source and what are/is they? God.
One was literature. They are comparing alleles in real things (not extrapolating back into the unobserved past/using molecular clock/phylogenetic tree analysis).
“By suggesting that the steps through which an adaptive mechanism arises are indefinite and insensible, all further trouble is spared. While it could be said that species arise by an insensible and imperceptible process of variation"
So in this context "evolution" means variation/adaptation/genetic drift/change in allele frequency/fixation over time.
Ronald fisher wiki-
"Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher FRS (17 February 1890 – 29 July 1962) was an English statistician, evolutionary biologist, eugenicist and geneticist."
"Fisher said in the first sentence of his (1930) book, “natural selection is not evolution.”"
(both quotes from the literature)
So you have an evolutionary biologist saying "natural selection is not evolution".
One was literature. They are comparing alleles in real things (not extrapolating back into the unobserved past/using molecular clock/phylogenetic tree analysis).
“By suggesting that the steps through which an adaptive mechanism arises are indefinite and insensible, all further trouble is spared. While it could be said that species arise by an insensible and imperceptible process of variation"
So in this context "evolution" means variation/adaptation/genetic drift/change in allele frequency/fixation over time.
Ronald fisher wiki-
"Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher FRS (17 February 1890 – 29 July 1962) was an English statistician, evolutionary biologist, eugenicist and geneticist."
"Fisher said in the first sentence of his (1930) book, “natural selection is not evolution.”"
(both quotes from the literature)
So you have an evolutionary biologist saying "natural selection is not evolution".
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Type in "John Sanford" on youtube. Its on genetic mutations/there rate and how he modeled them into the past (and future) and how he was surprised by what he got when he went back in time with them on his model. (3rd one down 1:40)
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Keachian
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Yes, again how is this not what theistic evolution does when it attributes what science has said happens naturally to God?
I'm not really sure what you are after, you keep on seem to be presenting cataclysmic geology as if it is what needs to be accounted for, I refuse this as it would basically boil down to to use a car analogy God changing gears, yet we are told that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Uniformitarianism is the default assumption on this basis from both theology and science:
The Biblical Premise of Uniformitarianism: A Response to John MacArthur, Part 1 | BioLogos
The Biblical Premise of Uniformitarianism: A Response to John MacArthur, Part 2 | BioLogos
The Biblical Premise of Uniformitarianism: A Response to John MacArthur, Part 3 | BioLogos
*sigh* Fisher then goes on to state:
"Yet, ever since the two words have been in common use, the Theory of Natural Selection has been employed as a convenient abbreviation for the Theory of Evolution by means of Natural Selection, put forward by Darwin and Wallace."
The Genetical Theory Of Natural Selection
His contention isn't that Natural Selection does not support Evolution but that it hasn't been looked at apart from in reference to Evolution, that is the whole point of his book, to look at Natural Selection without going into Evolution.
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If anyone is interested the inventor of the "gene gun" John Sanford has a computer model for modeling mutations and he found something interesting when he went back in time with it. Progmonk the alleged mechanism a fish turned into a person is "neofunctionalization" if you direct link a literature on that ill read it.
and as Fisher said in the first sentence of his (1930) book, “natural selection is not evolution.” Full quote from the literature. It doesnt matter whether you call it that or not it cant make anything novel.
and as Fisher said in the first sentence of his (1930) book, “natural selection is not evolution.” Full quote from the literature. It doesnt matter whether you call it that or not it cant make anything novel.
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Metal Minister
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jinx25 said:
I can't seem to find it...can you send me a link?
May God Richly Bless You! MM
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