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That's good.We can hope.
As someone who has suffered from chronic depression since as young as six years old, and first started having "those" thoughts at age eight:
Someone early on in this thread spoke the truth, that people in a serious state of depression honestly believe others would be better off without them. Complicate matters with my physical disability. I cannot hold a job, and have been told twice by Vocational Rehabilitation that I am unemployable. I'm so disabled I can't even work through programs designed to find jobs for the disabled. So when I see my husband struggling to make ends meet, and I can't help him pay the bills, how useless do you think that makes me feel? It's worse when he comes home from work and then has to do a chore that was too much for me, and worst of all when some medical need of mine throws his carefully calculated budget out of whack. Are there times I think he'd be better off without this burden, and I wonder what in the world he sees in me? You bet there are. And when I am at my gloomiest, I can't even imagine that anyone would grieve for me. I actually picture them dancing and singing, "Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead."
Depression is not just feeling sorry for yourself because you didn't get asked to the prom. In fact, that's kind of an insult. That's comparing acne to advanced skin cancer. True depression is a malfunction of the brain. When the brain isn't working properly, thoughts won't make sense except to the person who is thinking them. But they are honestly believed.
One illustration I use is the concept of visual hallucinations. For example, let's say I am hallucinating and I see a snake on the floor in front of me. No way will you ever be able to convince me that there is no snake. What do you mean, there is no snake? I see a snake plain as day, doggone it, and you can't tell me I don't see it. What are you trying to do, mess with me or something? If you don't see something that is obviously right in front of you, then you must be the one who's nuts. Only when the brain chemicals quit misfiring, by whatever means it takes to accomplish that, will I stop seeing the snake. Depressive thoughts work the same way. Even though they are not accurate, they are just as real to the person with depression as that snake is to the person who is hallucinating.
Only knew the fallout. the fallout of their suicide. The consequences short and long-term.
I think if you could show them a video of the future consequence, they'd change their mind. They'd see it from other people's point of view.
So to you consider an attempt at escaping what is deemed as unbearable suffering always irrational? I was once pinned under hundreds of pounds of pressure with my pubic bone bearing that weight against the edge of the step leading into a school building's basement area and I would have considered it merciful to have had such agony terminated at that moment by any means possible.Someone attempting suicide is not in their right mind. They don't have the capacity to think rationally let alone abstractly. Now before you get to that point, it may be helpful to see things from outer space or from the POV of others, but once you've crossed the line, all that goes out the window. Your only goal is to relieve your suffering.
Interesting perspective of a real life experience. Thanks for sharing.o
So to you consider an attempt at escaping what is deemed as unbearable suffering always irrational? I was once pinned under hundreds of pounds of pressure with my pubic bone bearing that weight against the edge of the step leading into a school building's basement area and I would have considered it merciful to have had such agony terminated at that moment by any means possible.
That is an interesting example. Thanks for sharing.o
So to you consider an attempt at escaping what is deemed as unbearable suffering always irrational? I was once pinned under hundreds of pounds of pressure with my pubic bone bearing that weight against the edge of the step leading into a school building's basement area and I would have considered it merciful to have had such agony terminated at that moment by any means possible.
Mine is too vast, too gigantic. it would take too long to be fully checked out.Anyone who thinks they can't be in enough pain to want to die should check their ego which,if you're going to make somebody else's death all about you,might need to be checked.
Watching; 'its a wonderful life' should be mandatory.Only knew the fallout. the fallout of their suicide. The consequences short and long-term.
I think if you could show them a video of the future consequence, they'd change their mind. They'd see it from other people's point of view.
Interesting perspective of a real life experience. Thanks for sharing.
I do agree that someone's pain both physically and or mentally cannot be measured by anyone else. That is why Jesus is the only perfect judge, because He knows the heart and the mind.
IMHO, judgement is a real problem in our churches. We need to be humble and loving when exercising any judgement. Judgement as in agape love is only for the better of the reciever. Agape is to do not for yourself at all, but only in the other's best interest. That sure changes how we see things if we have to check our own hearts before we open our mouths.
It can make one repent for thinking selfish before one even acts upon it. I've done it.
Only knew the fallout. the fallout of their suicide. The consequences short and long-term.
I think if you could show them a video of the future consequence, they'd change their mind. They'd see it from other people's point of view.
I've attempted suicide four times in my life and in my own mind, I'm just expediting my trip to Heaven after suffering years of abuse, mental illness and a lack of any hope in the world. I just wanted to end all of that regardless of what anyone else demanded of me. There was one point in my life where it was either commit suicide or bring a gun to school. I figured it would have been the lesser evil to kill myself and go more quietly.
Those who say suicide is selfish has obviously never been to that point of suffering. I think it's just plain cruel that someone has to threaten you with Hellfire to motivate you to keep on living in order to suffer some more.
Suicide is not a black and white issue.
that is well-expressed. And what it must be like for a lot of people. I sometimes feel the same to be honest. But in my case, I've got a loyal partner and a smiling dog. I just couldn't let them down. I have to hang in there for their sake too. I'm lucky . not everyone is in such a fortunate situation as me, I admit.Eventually one may see life as just drudgery, with varying degrees of pain depending on the person. This whole idea that there is always hope and that the suicidal are simply mistaken in their assessment of things is not for those wishing to die; it's for everyone else, to convince themselves that life is a good thing. Why would anyone want to leave Paradise?
Maybe that is why God gave human beings an innate fear of death.Imagine if there was an easy way of exiting. "I'm tired of life, I'm out of here." Everyone accepts your decision and says farewell, maybe at a farewell party maybe not. You go to a room where a GP gives you an injection, you fall asleep forever. No pain. Easy.
That is assisted suicide. Would you like to see that available in your country?
I wouldn't. it is for open for abuse.
We are on this earth for other people, not just ourselves. That might sound trite but I believe it to be true.
True, and most who appear to not fear it are those who don't really believe in death. Instead they imagine themselves transferring over to another plane of life. That's why we had the Kamikazes during WWII and we have terrorists who sacrifice themselves as if fearless of death when all they are believing in is an immediate transfer to some paradise which they are earning via their suicide..Maybe that is why God gave human beings an innate fear of death.
So there wouldn't be an easy way, otherwise people would just be off'ing themselves like there was no tomorrow.
I think death scares the heck out of most of us and the unknown.
What do you believe will happen to you when you die?True, and most who appear to not fear it are those who don't really believe in death. Instead they imagine themselves transferring over to another plane of life. That's why we had the Kamikazes during WWII and we have terrorists who sacrifice themselves as if fearless of death when all they are believing in is an immediate transfer to some paradise which they are earning via their suicide..
Only knew the fallout. the fallout of their suicide. The consequences short and long-term.
I think if you could show them a video of the future consequence, they'd change their mind. They'd see it from other people's point of view.
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