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The word of God is powerful and active....and frankly is the only hope one has to escape the snares of the devil and to come into the light
Is this not a christian forum?You have to accept that people may not believe in god - or maybe incapable of digesting what your saying. Im finding the attitude from a christian site that those suffering from suicidal ideation are whiners, selfish attention seekers who are sinners n deserving of a biblical confrontation thingy....... Im glad this topic came up - Im more aware of the views of my christian cohort.
I know. That is my point.
Of course there is a spectrum, and there are many reasons for suicide, but as one who has been suicidal, known people who were, and known those who have taken their lives, generally speaking, suicide is a selfish act, so I disagree with the premise that if a person knew what suffering their suicide would cause they wouldn't go ahead with it. They do know, but they are too self absorbed to care.
Not all suicide is caused by self-pity, but I think much is.
The pain produced by self-pity is very real, but self-pity has a basis in the idea that one knows better than God how his life should go.
Suicide is an expression of rage. It's the ultimate temper tantrum. It's one's way of having the last word, or of, in their minds, flipping God "the bird".
It's counterintuitive, and many can't wrap their heads around this, but people who are suicidal shouldn't be treated as victims and pitied, their sin should be confronted, and they should be encouraged to repent of their idolatry.
This idolatry is not always easy to spot, but an example that's easy to see is a young lady who didn't get invited to the prom, at all, or by the wrong guy. Now she holds a bottle of sleeping pills in her hand. . .
Why does she want to kill herself? Because rather than finding her identity in Christ, she seeks to find it in the affection of a young man.
Her "god" is the guy that sits in front of her in biology class. She worships him. She places her faith in him to "save"
Now, we might be quick to excuse her actions, and downplay her idolatry, but if we don't let our emotions rule us, we can see that what his young lady has done is to elevate a good thing, a date to the prom, to an ultimate thing, a place that only God can hold,
Rather than conforming her life to God's commands, she conforms her every word and deed to her idol. She figuratively and literally serves her idol, and we have all done similarly. The problem is that idols never deliver on their promises. When you fail to serve them perfectly they kill you. There is no mercy. The guy in biology class went to the prom with the girl with thinner thighs and a bigger chest. . . Now she wants to kill herself because God didn't make her physically attractive enough to have her idol.
There is nothing innocent about her suicide. It's sin through and through,
Jimmy Jimmy's post is thought provoking at least. Even though I am Christian, I don't really like the Christian context part of his post.. Not sure I want suicidal people to feel guilty for feeling suicidal even though my OP might imply that too. Having said that, the first part of Jimmy Jimmy's post is pretty close to the truth in my opinion. As much as it might hurt to read.
A first commandment therapy session would be quite horrific to watch I think...
Is this not a christian forum?
Should a christian forum not confront people's sinfulness telling them to repent of the evil to return them to God and life and turn their feet away from the path that leads to death?
I think we need to start by finding out the cause. A teenage girl who has just broken up with her boyfriend might seem trivial to us older ones, but then I know some older folk who suffer constant pain and long for it to end.
Rather than rebuke them I would look at the cause and set about finding strategies to help overcome the problem.
The OP has a good point in that assisting them to see how much others would be hurt can be helpful. A suicide in my family I think could have been prevented by an understanding of how important he was to all of us.
The word of God is powerful and active....and frankly is the only hope one has to escape the snares of the devil and to come into the light.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Just how do you propose rebuking a paranoid psychotic person would work? Or a person with severe post-traumatic syndrome...so what you'd say - how dare you be so traumatized and wanting to escape it - something like that?Interesting you suggest not rebuking them is appropriate.
Should their sinful thinking not be rebuked that they should repent of suicidal thoughts?
Titus 1:13
This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,
1 Timothy 5:20
20 Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.
Titus 2:15
Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
It would be if your idea of "therapy" is to affirm and approve.
Just how do you propose rebuking a paranoid psychotic person would work? Or a person with severe post-traumatic syndrome...so what you'd say - how dare you be so traumatized and wanting to escape it - something like that?
My idea of therapy is following methods that are shown to work, CBT, mindfulness,etc, is there research about the effectiveness of hellfire preaching as therapy?
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