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"If soul doesnt exist, it dont matter..."

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Why should we care about our soul if it doesnt exist?

Well, lets say you dont have a near identical twin brother or sister, is it therefore ok for me to not give a damn about how i "treat him" or "treat her".

"Your soul doesnt matter, because it doesnt exist. And I am going to option A shoot... [or option B give a big loving kiss to...:kiss:] your non existent twin too."

Fizzzoooo............

(put that cap on in the thought lab)...

And for your own safety please ensure youre not wired into the excrement detector.
 
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Why should we care about our soul if it doesnt exist?

Well, lets say you dont have a near identical twin brother or sister, is it therefore ok for me to not give a damn about how i "treat him" or "treat her".

No, but this issue may have some relevance to Star Trek transporter issues. If someone is broken down and rebuilt elsewhere, is the soul still there? If there is a duplication, which one gets the soul? etc.


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Well, lets say you dont have a near identical twin brother or sister, is it therefore ok for me to not give a damn about how i "treat him" or "treat her"

Pardon me if I'm missing the argument. Where does the importance of this "soul" come into play?
 
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Atheist-like question: How do we know we have a soul? (!?!?!?!?!?!?)

Your attempts at skeptical thought are admirable but failed. The atheist question wouldn't accept the presupposition in the posing of the question.

The real atheist (Or just skeptical) question would be: "What is a soul exactly?"

But :thumbsup: Good try at least.
 
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Atheist-like question:
I don't see how that works. Try phrasing the question as would someone that does not collect stamps.

How do we know we have a soul? (!?!?!?!?!?!?)

What do you mean by "soul"?

"Some years ago, there was a lovely philosopher of science and journalist in Italy named Giulio Giorello, and he did an interview with me. And I don’t know if he wrote it or not, but the headline in Corriere della Sera when it was published was "Sì, abbiamo un'anima. Ma è fatta di tanti piccoli robot – "Yes, we have a soul, but it’s made of lots of tiny robots." And I thought, exactly. That’s the view. Yes, we have a soul, but in what sense? In the sense that our brains, unlike the brains even of dogs and cats and chimpanzees and dolphins, our brains have functional structures that give our brains powers that no other brains have - powers of look-ahead, primarily. We can understand our position in the world, we can see the future, we can understand where we came from. We know that we’re here. No buffalo knows it’s a buffalo, but we jolly well know that we’re members of Homo sapiens, and it’s the knowledge that we have and the can-do, our capacity to think ahead and to reflect and to evaluate and to evaluate our evaluations, and evaluate the grounds for our evaluations.

It’s this expandable capacity to represent reasons that we have that gives us a soul. But what’s it made of? It’s made of neurons. It’s made of lots of tiny robots. And we can actually explain the structure and operation of that kind of soul, whereas an eternal, immortal, immaterial soul is just a metaphysical rug under which you sweep your embarrassment for not having any explanation.”


― Daniel C. Dennett
 
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I answered what I answered and it was a good answer, there is no need for you to verify it ^_^ Again, how do we know we have a soul? A soul, in case you are wondering, as described in the Bible.

Passage(s)?
 
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I treat humans the same because I DON'T believe in a soul. "Soul" is just another divisive term in the torturous, masochistic religious mindset

I judge people based on who they are at the here and now and what I feel about them.
 
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I treat humans the same because I DON'T believe in a soul. "Soul" is just another divisive term in the torturous, masochistic religious mindset
You treat humans the same? As each other?

But people are very different from each other - and it is in their souls that they are most different from each other I believe.

If you suffered from depression and went to the doctor, and someone else with early dementia also went to see the same doctor. Would you like the doctor to be able to tell the difference in the conditions, offer appropriate medication, advice, psychotherapy if needed? How then would he recognise the difference unless he took into consideration each persons unique soul (psyche), and medical / family history?
 
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You treat humans the same? As each other?

I have a basic treatment of human as opposed to animals. I treat them as cognitive beings like myself. Meaning I won't start barking at another person and wagging a dog treat at them. I will talk to them. I will interact with them as if they are human. Do you not do the same?

But people are very different from each other - and it is in their souls that they are most different from each other I believe.

Are they human? Rhetorical question because there is no other answer: YES.

If you suffered from depression and went to the doctor,

Which I have.

and someone else with early dementia also went to see the same doctor.

I don't know if you know, but different kind of doctors for these two issues.

Would you like the doctor to be able to tell the difference in the conditions, offer appropriate medication, advice, psychotherapy if needed?

Okay so you do know. Then you probably know that the doctor treats humans like humans too. If he didn't he wouldn't be a doctor for humans. You're actually not making a point.

How then would he recognise the difference unless he took into consideration each persons unique soul (psyche), and medical / family history?

How does this in any way, shape, or form differentiate one human from another?
 
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I have a basic treatment of human as opposed to animals. I treat them as cognitive beings like myself. Meaning I won't start barking at another person and wagging a dog treat at them. I will talk to them. I will interact with them as if they are human. Do you not do the same?
I certainly do also, and glad you are civil minded in this way. So we differ from the animals, what is that difference? In asking I clearly agree we do, but want to qualify the difference from your viewpoint.
Are they human? Rhetorical question because there is no other answer: YES.
I agree.

Which I have.
I have also - did you find the medical doctor helpful? - I have found psychotherapist or pastoral minister helpful in a quite different manner, without dismissing the medical doctor's time-limited help and understanding of medication.

I don't know if you know, but different kind of doctors for these two issues.
Yes in many places there would be specialists in each. But at first someone might go to their general practitoner. But following your correct observation of there being two kinds of doctor, the medical doctor would recognise which condition it was and refer his patient to the proper specialist - in the case of depression to a psychotherapist of some sort usually.

How does this in any way, shape, or form differentiate one human from another?
Well in themselves people differ as you are well aware, hence there would be different medical records for each patient.

In shape - height, weight, previous history of a condition, improvement, set backs, general level of health, other conditions.

It also differentiates a human being whose condition is not due merely to biological or chemical or organic factors, from one whose condition is. But even in both cases both patients can be called souls.

It would be even more important in psychotherapy that a history is taken to some extent.

You also have a perception of an individual's character and personality and recognise a continuity in these from one week to the next, particularly with someone if you have known them for a long time. You know with some people there are things they are highly unlikely to say or do. This continuity is an aspect of the soul - not that people can't change, but there is a degree of continuity for the most part.

Understanding that people are souls doesn't make one treat them less than human. It allows one greater insight into those conditions that are outside the domain of the medical doctor - this is my point.

I don't hold the soul and the body to be neatly separate however. But since its part of humanness to be a soul, I don't see why someone would deny it.

Most of the problems people are having come from a only partial recogition of the soul and its capacities to some extent it seems to me, loss of understanding of our humanness, made in the image of God.


Silly question to end, and I know the answer, but are you human? :)
 
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Why should we care about our soul if it doesnt exist?

Well, lets say you dont have a near identical twin brother or sister, is it therefore ok for me to not give a damn about how i "treat him" or "treat her".

"Your soul doesnt matter, because it doesnt exist. And I am going to option A shoot... [or option B give a big loving kiss to...:kiss:] your non existent twin too."

Fizzzoooo............

(put that cap on in the thought lab)...

And for your own safety please ensure youre not wired into the excrement detector.


Since he is non existent you can do neither of those things. :wave:
 
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