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If someone says they believe something, because they would rather not have nothing...

Gottservant

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Hi there,

If someone says they believe something, because they would rather not look like they thought nothing was important, it is actually best not to argue with the fact that they believe something that may or may not be true. And if someone defends what they believe as if it couldn't not be important, it is actually best to decide one way or the other how true it could be if you wanted it to be or not. The important thing for you to remember, is that this is irrespective of whether you actually believe what they believe.

Why is this important? Because it is about being friends to people that have very little, without God and understanding that God loves you, whether you interpret what He believes the same way He does or not, at least to begin with. This is the message of the gospel, in an Age when only what you remember is able to stand (and stand it must - let the reader think on this). The whole debate about Evolution, actually revolves around whether believers are able to remain friendly about the way in which they believe what they choose to believe, not how much or how accurately they remember the theory of Evolution, if indeed they have anything to do with it, initially or otherwise. I say this not to distance myself, but to remind you and everyone that we all have choices and moreover, much more moreover, we have certain immutable choices in Christ that cannot be taken from us, whether we doubt our faith a little for other's sake or our own or greatly for our sake or for other's.

What gets lost in the debate, is a sense of balance, of the credulity of the moment, even of momentousness, because of the tendency to joke and harangue and harass, losing sight of the simplicity of the truth because of waywardness, the light of salt because of foolishness and the totality of the end because of narrow-sightedness. Not all of this is the other side's fault, either. We must remember we have an adversary, who will not stop at one or two sacrifices, no matter how freely they may be offered, apart from Christ. If our fundamental word is lost, we have nothing and must return to Christ as quickly as we can, lest more be lost. But we are already clean because of the word that He has spoken, as He said to us and in this we have confidence.

In the end, it is not "what" you carried with you, in your heart to the end, even if it was laughter, but how you carried it and to what end, if indeed you do want to be remembered for something, even greatness at all. No one who enters Heaven without praise, stays there for very long nor enjoys it (let the reader take note). The debate must rage on of course, or we would have nothing to test our faith and no way to develop character necessary to make our praise worthy of the God who has saved us, if indeed He has been able to do so (and we must not rule that out, do not kid yourselves, if you can - let the reader have caution). The point is that any debate is in God's hands and even if it is a barb to the end of time, it should not change our resolve.

A man's resolve can be above everything, if he knows by what manner of honour he sustains it (selah)
 

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"Believing something rather than nothing..." This depends on the issue. I would rather have someone believe 'nothing', the weak agnostic position, rather than 'believe' one of the cults based loosely on Christianity. I see too often people believe in 'something' that tends to make them feel good about believing something - without regard to the actual substance of what they believe.

On the other hand, I think people should believe what their experience, education and guidance from the Lord tells them, rather than meekly and blindly follow someone with a loud voice and a false confidence.

"...being friends to people that have very little..." I agree. Most particularly in matters of witnessing to non-believers. People without Christ need Christ; but in many cases, they also need a friend first. No non-believer will ever listen or give credence to someone they don't trust. This is not to say all Christians must embark on a 'social justice' mission, but honesty and openness is invaluable. And maybe doing something 'nice' for people who need it from time to time.

It also applies to inter-Christian discussions. To deny others' relationship with God because they do not agree with one's private interpretations or understandings is seriously wrong. I also find the idea of 'hating the sin, but loving the sinner' is grossly ignored. Too many Christians conflate the sin with the sinner.

I agree with you - I think I understand - in that the Salvation of Jesus Christ for all sinners is the most important aspect of Christianity. This is the basis and essence of Christianity. The length of a skirt, or watching television, or smoking a cigarette or promotion or opposition to YEC are all secondary. Denomination is secondary - although I would argue some are closer to Biblical truths than others. (Still, I would prefer one with a proper relationship with Jesus as a member of the RCC than I would one who is a regular attender of a Baptist church who has no concept of a personal relationship with Jesus.)

I confess I am not always the 'kindest' correspondent. One of my weaknesses (I have - ahem - several) is a severe aversion to poor thinking. There's a member here (I forget the name, I may have suppressed it) who claims to know all about 'science'. He (I think, could be a female) knows 'more than you do' about pretty much any subject. However, from what he writes, he didn't even take the intro class. That really raises my hackles.

Still, I need to be more patient with others. The Lord has mentioned this to me in casual conversation on several occasions. He's working on me, and I'm aware. As unbelievable as this may sound, I do NOT always post my first reaction to many comments.
 
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I found this very interesting.

I don't know whether it is because of your walk with the Lord, or because you were born as teachable as you were, but we have a very similar spiritual "bent". I definitely try to be aware of whether the Lord accepts my standards before I apply them to others and I think you do something similar, if not better.

I will attempt to learn from your even-handedness.
 
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Gottservant said:
I found this very interesting.

I don't know whether it is because of your walk with the Lord, or because you were born as teachable as you were, but we have a very similar spiritual "bent". I definitely try to be aware of whether the Lord accepts my standards before I apply them to others and I think you do something similar, if not better.
One of my daily prayers is for God to watch my heart and head and STOP ME if I start to get too goofy.

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I will attempt to learn from your even-handedness.
That is most flattering. And humbling. The only response I can muster is a quote from Paul in 1st Corinthians 10:1 Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
By this I understand Paul to mean, "If you are going to imitate me, do what I do, which is to imitate Christ."

For heavens sake, don't do what I do! Do what I know I should do.
 
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I'm nearly twice your age, Servant. Some might call me a grumpy old man; that's not entirely incorrect. It has it's positives and negatives.

Practice doing what is right in small things. It becomes a habit. A habit of which the Lord approves.
 
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Hi there,

If someone says they believe something, because they would rather not look like they thought nothing was important, it is actually best not to argue with the fact that they believe something that may or may not be true. ...

When you wish to make progress, it is referred to as "Yes....And..."

rather than saying "no."
 
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