If Someone Commits Sucide Are They Still Saved?

[LST 1154]

Look at it this way. If he had died of cancer would God condemn him? Of course not cancer is a disease. It sounds to me like he was mentally ill at the time of his death, perhaps exacerbated by losing his job or because of a reaction to a drug and died as a result of it.

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[razzelflabben]

No, if you kill yourself it means that you have lost your faith and therefore your salvation!

we can say the same for any sin

 

[Chris81]

we can say the same for any sin

Well you can always repent of most any sin you have committed except for the case of suicide.

 

[Phaedron777]

I was at the point where I was going to kill myself. I couldn't do it, yet I couldn't not do it, so I made a compromise. I decided to live just for God and for helping others. I killed the ego and gave myself to the lord, and you know what, I felt more born again then ever.

Repent means to change your mind, obviously you can't do that after you've died. Suicide is murder. We live and we live onto the lord, we belong to the lord, especially if we are believers since he paid the price for us.

My own father took his life, and my grandmother died shortly after. It plunged my whole life into deep sorrow and despair, and if Christ appears to me and told me it was "wordly sorrow" I swear to God I would crucify him all over again. Ya know, have some compassion. That's how I felt for about 13 years.

But when you give your life to the Lord, there comes all the fruit of the spirit. To stop doing what we want to do and start doing what God's wants us to do brings joy, not inconvenience. Of course trying to know what God wants us to do in this age is a challenge onto itself. For 13 years I plead with him to work with me, but no, I'm just expected to read a book suitable for life 100-2000 years, alas, I could not reconcile the bible with the modern world.

 

[razzelflabben]

Well you can always repent of most any sin you have committed except for the case of suicide.

which comes right back to the point I made in the previous post...let's say you are a Christian, live an obedient life by the worlds standards, by God's standards, you are faithful to seek forgiveness every time you sin...one day, you slip, and you tell a juicy bit of gossip you heard, before you get a chance to repent, you have a massive heart attack and die...do you loose your salvation? What makes them different? Hint: Nothing...we will be judged, but on the condition of our heart, not on the deeds we have done, because our circumcision is of the heart not the flesh....

 

[razzelflabben]

I was at the point where I was going to kill myself. I couldn't do it, yet I couldn't not do it, so I made a compromise. I decided to live just for God and for helping others. I killed the ego and gave myself to the lord, and you know what, I felt more born again then ever.

Repent means to change your mind, obviously you can't do that after you've died. Suicide is murder. We live and we live onto the lord, we belong to the lord, especially if we are believers since he paid the price for us.

amen...I am crucified with Christ never the less I live, yet not I but Christ liveth in me....words of Paul

My own father took his life, and my grandmother died shortly after. It plunged my whole life into deep sorrow and despair, and if Christ appears to me and told me it was "wordly sorrow" I swear to God I would crucify him all over again. Ya know, have some compassion. That's how I felt for about 13 years.

and Jesus would never tell you it was worldly sorrow, instead He would grieve with you...as will I, I am so grieved for your loss...in our own pain, we feel like our hearts a breaking, like our insides have been scooped out, if you need anything, let me know.

But when you give your life to the Lord, there comes all the fruit of the spirit. To stop doing what we want to do and start doing what God's wants us to do brings joy, not inconvenience. Of course trying to know what God wants us to do in this age is a challenge onto itself. For 13 years I plead with him to work with me, but no, I'm just expected to read a book suitable for life 100-2000 years, alas, I could not reconcile the bible with the modern world.

Psalm 119:19 I am a stranger on earth; do not hide your commands from me.

May you live in peace that passes all understanding, in boldness to stand firm in the face of all affliction, and joy in the midst of great sorrow.

 

[40creek]

I'll make this short. The bible has gone to the point saying that there is an unpardonable sin. It explicitly says that there is only one. It is not suicide. Now, was that just an oversight? Did the bible just forget to mention suicide as unpardonable? You can commit this terrible sin without giving up your love of God. You can do this without Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I believe that if one is a christian they probably prayed and cried and prayed and cried right to the end. I think in most cases of this kind they believe God has rejected them not the other way around. I cannot tell you your family member is with God but, more importantly I cannot say he/she is not. We are human and that means our understanding is on a very low scale compared to God. He understands the heart of a man. We only see the action.
God Bless you and your entire family at this time. Don't give up hope...MIKE

 

[Schroeder]

sure there are consequences for our actions even after being forgiven.

you really need to understand something about a person intent upon ending it all ; they are not thinking straight , they are not in their right mind , they are consumed by something so dark that escape seems the only answer ..... so simple questions do not help answer the question because you are not dealing with a regular scenario.

The intent is based on what goes on in thier which they control most of. If the Light of the world is in them being christ they should not be in darkness unless they neglect the light. I just think to say suicide is not going to keep one from salvation is dangerous. Seeing how i believe that one can fall from grace and lose their salvation this might effect my view of this subject. the blasphing of the SPirit i think could be suicide. Or total neglect of the SPirit so that darkness overtakes us.

 

[ladybug6]

no

 

[AndOne]

No, if you kill yourself it means that you have lost your faith and therefore your salvation!

This is not necessarily so. I think there are some cases of mental illness - such as bi-polar disease in which someone might kill themselves as a result of their disorder. It'a a bit capricous to immediately condemn someone to hell without knowing all the facts regarding a situation....

 

[nobdysfool]

This whole subject reminds me of the apocryphal story about the actor, W. C. Fields, who, when on his deathbed was found reading the Bible one day. During his life he was not a religious man by any stretch of the imagination. When he was asked why he was reading a Bible, his reply was, " I'm looking for loopholes...."

I daresay, he found none.....

 

[razzelflabben]

This whole subject reminds me of the apocryphal story about the actor, W. C. Fields, who, when on his deathbed was found reading the Bible one day. During his life he was not a religious man by any stretch of the imagination. When he was asked why he was reading a Bible, his reply was, " I'm looking for loopholes...."

I daresay, he found none.....

what does that mean in relation to the OP question? I find scripture to be pretty clear that we are not to judge anothers salvation. If this is true, how can we judge them in death?

 

[er72]

I was taught you go to hell because murder is a horrible sin and you cannot repent for it (Judas).

 

[razzelflabben]

I was taught you go to hell because murder is a horrible sin and you cannot repent for it (Judas).

can you find that in scripture....? Where in scripture does it say that murder is an unforgivable sin? Would that include accidental deaths, as in drunk driving? How about self defense? Or soldiers? Are they all going to hell for the same sin of murder? What does scripture say?

footnote: Please don't take the questions the wrong way, I'm just asking...many people allow their traditions to become their "bible" and never really explore what any of it means. So, I'm exploring, not critisizing...

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Yes i believe that their are countless Christians in the history of Christianity that took their own lives and went straight to heaven just like any other death which all Christians must pay in the body "once"! For the wages of sin is death(period)!!! And it is also "Appointed once for man to die, and then the judgment"! So death is death no matter in what form it comes! Whether it be by my own hand, or the hand of another! There will be far less "self-righteous" hypocrites in heaven, than sad, and very depressed Christian's who could find no Love they so desperately needed in the "churches they went to!

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

I was taught you go to hell because murder is a horrible sin and you cannot repent for it (Judas).

Well if that's the case! Moses, and David,and Paul won't be in heaven either! And the crimes that David, and Paul committed were as heinous,as evil as they come! Yet GOD still considered David a man after His own heart,and Paul He made the greatest of all the Apostles who had done the most evil! All i can say is(((HALLELUJAH)))!!!

 

[AndOne]

I was taught you go to hell because murder is a horrible sin and you cannot repent for it (Judas).

If this is true - then King David is in hell.

 

[Vimi]

I was taught you go to hell because murder is a horrible sin and you cannot repent for it (Judas).

What was the work of the cross all about? Why would Jesus give himself for the sins (plural) of the world and endure all that suffering?

 

[Terene]

If someone commits suicide and they are saved, will they remain saved? This is a real friend of a family I know, please be kind and not flippant about this. Just trying to get some ideas.

:oRemember: This is a real Family that is really suffering!

This person believed in Jesus already and accepted him as Lord but maybe fell into sin, or depression for some reason or another such as:

Drugs
Mental Illness
Relationships gone bad
Losing a Good Job
Losing everything they had due to the Recession

or
whatever...

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:oWill God forgive them for killing themselves and still consider them saved?

Important

:oAre there any real comforting passages from the Holy Word that would help their families out with their grief?

I searched the Forum and did not see this topic yet, forgive me if this topic has already been posted
somewhere, but please pray for this Family (they are real close and enduring much hardship).

Please Quote from the Holy Bible, any translation - need those verses!

Thanks All

Dear brother,

As much as I do not want to hurt you or grieve your friend's family, I must say the truth to you. From what you said,

"This person believed in Jesus already and accepted him as Lord but maybe fell into sin"

May I ask if he has actually repented of his sins which he fell into? Since you are his friend, do you know or has he ever hinted you of signs of depression because of his backslidings?

The Word is very clear that "If we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth." (1 John 1:6)

If your friend has always been walking in darkness and has not really had fellowship with Christ, he is open to the devil's attack and is very vulnerable to spiritual dangers. I really do not know at what point your friend has started to stray, but it is despairing to see that there is no mature Christians to actually encourage him and bring him back to repentance unto Christ. This also looms on the failure of most modern churches because they fail to truly shepherd Christ's sheep and warn them against the spiritual fatalness of backsliding into sin.

We can only hope that even though your friend has sinned, he has in his heart repented and sought God's forgiveness though he was overwhelmed by darkness and ultimately sinned in his act. If God can see that his heart was repentant at the time of his death, even though he failed to stop himself from sinning in action, I believe that your friend is forgiven and will not perish. There is this possibility, so we should not lose hope altogether.

But I do want to exhort you and your friend's family that we MUST repent of all our sins to receive God's forgiveness. Repentance always comes before forgiveness and salvation, this we ought not to compromise to the detriment of our own souls and those of our brethren. Now, may I encourage you and your friend's family with the following verses:

Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. (Philippians 4)

Let us pour out our hearts to God and all our sorrows unto Him who loves us! Give no more occasion to the devil to wreck havoc and to kill, steal and destroy anymore! Have faith in God, stand steadfast in Him, resist the devil and he will flee from you! Fix our hearts and minds on God and Christ and He will strengthen us!

 

[billybtennessee]

I think we judge things we should not be judging a lot of the time. This is one of those issues probably. What about a drug overdose? Or a dui and people are killed? A jealous husband or wife who kill all, even themselves. Perhaps a soldier who likes to kill too much. There are all kinds of things we could add to the list. Someone who just keeps clogging them arteries, or smoking them cigarettes.

I had a good friend who committed suicide the same day the tornado hit Alabama, that morning, before the tornado hit that evening. His wife wanted divorce, and he just thought he could not cope, I guess. Baptist deacon, worked in church administration, had many years of service, but just wanted to end everything. Sure, I wondered. But it is not our call in the end.

I believe God knows all who are truly His. And I also believe God knows all who are not. We do not. There are always posters and people who believe they are judges of who is saved, and who is not, and of course, only those who agree with them are. One here even cites folks will be left when Christ takes His away, if one does not agree with the date he has set. Theology does that, and pride in them.

One who is in Jesus Christ will be saved. One who has never committed to Jesus Christ will not be. Both will grow together, and then they will be separated at the harvest. All will appear before the judgement seat of Christ. His judgement will be just, and will be final. That is where everything is headed, and going, and nothing is gonna change that. We should be ready, always. Tough subject.