If Man progresses to monkey, why is he not good at monkey things? At least partly??

Gottservant said:

You are descendant of your parents,

and you learn from them?

What is that in terms of "Evolution"??

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Nothing.

Gottservant said:

Somehow I need to make confessing Evolutionary sin a regular mainstay of the rest of my life - or I will reek of the sin, that leaving sin unconfessed brings.

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OR
turn to Yahweh for His Kingdom is close at hand, even now.
Repent at once, and cry out for His Help, for His Forgiveness.
Repent as Yahweh Says to, when HE CONVICTS YOU.
Yahweh is well able to heal you, to forgive you, as His Word Says,
and
to train you how to live from now on.

Whoever TRUSTS THE SON, HAS LIFE....
Whoever TRUSTS NOT the SON, has not life.

Gottservant said:

You are descendant of your parents,

and you learn from them?

What is that in terms of "Evolution"??

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I learned from my parents because they raised me, not because I descended from them.

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So it could be that I am ham-fisting this: but cognitive tests of monkeys have shown that their cognition is a lot faster than ours, for explicit challenges that don't require greater and greater cognitive strength - remembering sequences of numbers, that sort of thing.

Then you have the question of a gorilla being able to snap a human being like a twig, if he wanted to - not that I am saying that that is intelligent, but on a practical level, if survival of the fittest were the only rule, humans would never get past page one (for the sake of a genome that passed the physical strength test).

The thing is, I don't see mankind mastering strengths that are the sole purview of a monkey; it's like we have come to the point that we think of ourselves (some of us,anyway) as superior to apes, but not in the vein that we have anything more to learn from them, such that the better difference will be won by devotion to our origin (if you can call it that) - I know, I know, some scientists that study biology and some green activists want to save the orangutan from extinction, but at the same time they want to stop Japanese whaling, but they don't see the connection (between proposing monkeys were our ancestors, but that everything else is just there for food).

What do you think? Is it a test of character to put up with people who think we go from ape to mate? Or is there a lesson God would have us learn first? That people who hurl themselves into the seas of unreason are best mourned?

I just don't see men learning from animals, what they claim to?

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Yeah... my husband has always pointed out that for supposedly "evolved" creatures we are remarkably weak, defeatable, squishy, slow, confined to walking for normal unaided locomotion, and have no cool quills or spikes.

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So it could be that I am ham-fisting this: but cognitive tests of monkeys have shown that their cognition is a lot faster than ours, for explicit challenges that don't require greater and greater cognitive strength - remembering sequences of numbers, that sort of thing.

Then you have the question of a gorilla being able to snap a human being like a twig, if he wanted to - not that I am saying that that is intelligent, but on a practical level, if survival of the fittest were the only rule, humans would never get past page one (for the sake of a genome that passed the physical strength test).

The thing is, I don't see mankind mastering strengths that are the sole purview of a monkey; it's like we have come to the point that we think of ourselves (some of us,anyway) as superior to apes, but not in the vein that we have anything more to learn from them, such that the better difference will be won by devotion to our origin (if you can call it that) - I know, I know, some scientists that study biology and some green activists want to save the orangutan from extinction, but at the same time they want to stop Japanese whaling, but they don't see the connection (between proposing monkeys were our ancestors, but that everything else is just there for food).

What do you think? Is it a test of character to put up with people who think we go from ape to mate? Or is there a lesson God would have us learn first? That people who hurl themselves into the seas of unreason are best mourned?

I just don't see men learning from animals, what they claim to?

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Ok, I have kids and understand everything you are saying.

If we come from monkeys then we should share many traits from them, like we should have the strength they have so on.

The truth is we don't come from apes or monkeys, if we did we all would have the exact same strength and abilities and more as evolution is taught that we get better and stronger due to climate and other things. It's a survival thing to changes due to survival.

So there you go, you just proved we do not evolve.

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So it could be that I am ham-fisting this: but cognitive tests of monkeys have shown that their cognition is a lot faster than ours, for explicit challenges that don't require greater and greater cognitive strength - remembering sequences of numbers, that sort of thing.

Then you have the question of a gorilla being able to snap a human being like a twig, if he wanted to - not that I am saying that that is intelligent, but on a practical level, if survival of the fittest were the only rule, humans would never get past page one (for the sake of a genome that passed the physical strength test).

The thing is, I don't see mankind mastering strengths that are the sole purview of a monkey; it's like we have come to the point that we think of ourselves (some of us,anyway) as superior to apes, but not in the vein that we have anything more to learn from them, such that the better difference will be won by devotion to our origin (if you can call it that) - I know, I know, some scientists that study biology and some green activists want to save the orangutan from extinction, but at the same time they want to stop Japanese whaling, but they don't see the connection (between proposing monkeys were our ancestors, but that everything else is just there for food).

What do you think? Is it a test of character to put up with people who think we go from ape to mate? Or is there a lesson God would have us learn first? That people who hurl themselves into the seas of unreason are best mourned?

I just don't see men learning from animals, what they claim to?

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I think we must accept that mankind evolves at least in some way. There is evidence if different man-like apes that are found as fossil records. Whether mankind evolved from apes, well that's just a theory. Theories are supposed to allow for skepticism since they must be proven somehow which is usually impossible.

One thing that is fact is that society has evolved and man with it. If we look back a few hundred years we would see some really crude humans occupying the earth and probably burning witches at the stake out of childish fears. Now we are evolved into the sciences and have cars, planes, TV's, mobile phones, medicines that actually work, etc.

So there is proof that man evolves, we are the evidence of that.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Who puts up with anyone who thinks we go from ape to mate ?
Jesus never did, and Ekklesia today don't have to.
The lesson from Yahweh (God) - do as His Word Says, as His Spirit leads.
We hear the voice of the shepherd and follow Him, we won't follow another.

Mourn? Perhaps rhetorical? Even Yahweh is saddened when a wicked man dies.

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Gottservant said:

That was a tremendous reply.

Yes, Yahweh weeps over the fallen Evolutionist.

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Can either of you point me to the Scripture that says Yahweh weeps when the wicked man dies? I see where He says: "I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked"; but that is not the same a weeping or mourning for them. Thank you.

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

Can either of you point me to the Scripture that says Yahweh weeps when the wicked man dies? I see where He says: "I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked"; but that is not the same a weeping or mourning for them. Thank you.

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Close enough for Kingdom Work, thanks for asking ......

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So it could be that I am ham-fisting this: but cognitive tests of monkeys have shown that their cognition is a lot faster than ours, for explicit challenges that don't require greater and greater cognitive strength - remembering sequences of numbers, that sort of thing.

Then you have the question of a gorilla being able to snap a human being like a twig, if he wanted to - not that I am saying that that is intelligent, but on a practical level, if survival of the fittest were the only rule, humans would never get past page one (for the sake of a genome that passed the physical strength test).

The thing is, I don't see mankind mastering strengths that are the sole purview of a monkey; it's like we have come to the point that we think of ourselves (some of us,anyway) as superior to apes, but not in the vein that we have anything more to learn from them, such that the better difference will be won by devotion to our origin (if you can call it that) - I know, I know, some scientists that study biology and some green activists want to save the orangutan from extinction, but at the same time they want to stop Japanese whaling, but they don't see the connection (between proposing monkeys were our ancestors, but that everything else is just there for food).

What do you think? Is it a test of character to put up with people who think we go from ape to mate? Or is there a lesson God would have us learn first? That people who hurl themselves into the seas of unreason are best mourned?

I just don't see men learning from animals, what they claim to?

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the idea is not that we evolved from monkeys or apes but that we evolved from a common ancestor... some sort of first-of-it-kind primate that was neither monkey, ape nor human. I'm not saying I accept this but comparing humans with monkeys and pointing out how different they are doesn't disprove anything, in fact an evolutionist I'm sure would argue their similarities would indicate a common ancestor and this dissimilarities shows evolution working.

Gottservant said:

You are descendant of your parents,

and you learn from them?

What is that in terms of "Evolution"??

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. It means that you learn from other great apes . The great apes have been classified as Hominidae since the late 90s . Once they sequenced the chimp genome that was the end of the discussion as far as biologists were concerned . Humans ARE great apes!

Danielwright2311 said:

Ok, I have kids and understand everything you are saying.

If we come from monkeys then we should share many traits from them, like we should have the strength they have so on.

The truth is we don't come from apes or monkeys, if we did we all would have the exact same strength and abilities and more as evolution is taught that we get better and stronger due to climate and other things. It's a survival thing to changes due to survival.

So there you go, you just proved we do not evolve.

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you’ve just proved that you don’t understand hominid anatomy

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So it could be that I am ham-fisting this: but cognitive tests of monkeys have shown that their cognition is a lot faster than ours, for explicit challenges that don't require greater and greater cognitive strength - remembering sequences of numbers, that sort of thing.

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What do you think? Is it a test of character to put up with people who think we go from ape to mate? Or is there a lesson God would have us learn first? That people who hurl themselves into the seas of unreason are best mourned?

I just don't see men learning from animals, what they claim to?

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My answer to those who promote unintelligent evolution is:
"An atheist is someone who believes a spoon is intelligently designed and created; but a myriad of complicated, interdependent living organisms, with 1000s of synergistic internal systems that only function properly when complete, resulted through some unthinking random process called evolution."

Gracia Singh said:

Yeah... my husband has always pointed out that for supposedly "evolved" creatures we are remarkably weak, defeatable, squishy, slow, confined to walking for normal unaided locomotion, and have no cool quills or spikes.

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Actually, on the surface human beings seem weak, however, we have a few traits that has lead us to dominate the globe.

At the physical level, we are unmatched at our ability to use tools. We can pick up a stick, a rock, a bone and use it as a weapon with superior hand-to-eye coordination that no animal on the planet can match. This is an incredible feat that 99% of the animals on this planet cannot do. We can also COMMUNICATE precisely with each other in ways unmatched by any animal.

We are also unmatched at mimicry, we can sound like pretty much ANY animal on the planet which is great for hunting or deception.

The ability to use tools combined with an ability to precisely communicate and coordinate are physical traits as a species that are infinitely more powerful than having 2-ton bite strength or claws or ability to run 40 mph...

It isn't that we aren't strong, but rather, we are "strong enough".
A human with a spear can take down a wolf. A few humans with spears can take down a bear. A small group of humans with spears can take down an elephant... And humans can "make" spears with pretty much anything.

We have a nice set of unaided locomotion abilities. True we aren't the fastest however we can travel across EVERY SURFACE of this world: Desert, mountain, forest, arctic tundra... We can climb trees, we can cross over ANY barrier, we can swim, and we can travel a slow but steady pace longer than a lot of animals, that is, we actually can track and wear animals down over time because we have better endurance.

Our vision isn't the best but it averages out to be really good compared to a lot of animals. We see in color which is a huge advantage for recognizing specifics about prey, the environment, etc. We see better in the dark then dogs and a lot of other animals (of course we can't get close to cats' abilities).

so yeah, on the surface humans may look weak, but we average out to be SUPERIOR to every other animal on the planet in regards to physical ability because we can COMBINE all of the abilities above and use them in a way that is unparalleled.

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So it could be that I am ham-fisting this: but cognitive tests of monkeys have shown that their cognition is a lot faster than ours, for explicit challenges that don't require greater and greater cognitive strength - remembering sequences of numbers, that sort of thing.

Then you have the question of a gorilla being able to snap a human being like a twig, if he wanted to - not that I am saying that that is intelligent, but on a practical level, if survival of the fittest were the only rule, humans would never get past page one (for the sake of a genome that passed the physical strength test).

The thing is, I don't see mankind mastering strengths that are the sole purview of a monkey; it's like we have come to the point that we think of ourselves (some of us,anyway) as superior to apes, but not in the vein that we have anything more to learn from them, such that the better difference will be won by devotion to our origin (if you can call it that) - I know, I know, some scientists that study biology and some green activists want to save the orangutan from extinction, but at the same time they want to stop Japanese whaling, but they don't see the connection (between proposing monkeys were our ancestors, but that everything else is just there for food).

What do you think? Is it a test of character to put up with people who think we go from ape to mate? Or is there a lesson God would have us learn first? That people who hurl themselves into the seas of unreason are best mourned?

I just don't see men learning from animals, what they claim to?

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I'm not trying to troll you... I have no idea what you are trying to say or what your argument is? This is not a coherent argument, it's like you have 3 different vaguely tangential points you are trying to combine into some sort of point????

Firstly, we didnt come from apes. Secondly, we are made in the image of God.

Thirdly, i always bark when i see a caged monkey!

The theory of evolution in no way posits that we came from apes.

Humans didn’t evolve from monkeys so why would we “progress” to monkeys?

Gottservant said:

You are splitting hairs?

In a little way, as concerns the world - but a big way, concerning your parents!

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Well, then I don’t get your point. We are not descendants of apes the way we are descended from our parents. We are really just relatives of apes, and we didn’t evolve from our parents. And I’m sure that someone who lived with apes would learn a few things from them. But evolution isn’t learning, so I’m not sure why you are talking about learning.