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The 14th Amendment of the US Constitution provides that “[a]ll persons born...in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” So, if life begins at conception, why doesn’t citizenship begin at conception?
Is self defense and the death penalty, murder, in your opinion? It is ok to use terms are they are defined by law, or should everyone talk based only on personal opinions. How productive can any conversation be we no one know when we are speaking opinions or legal facts?It is in my opinion.
Is self defense and the death penalty, murder, in your opinion? It is ok to use terms are they are defined by law, or should everyone talk based only on personal opinions. How productive can any conversation be we no one know when we are speaking opinions or legal facts?
One fact, seldom remembered in discussions like these, is that God is the giver and taker of all life. And His support is not, so easily, pulled by man.Who would pull a healthy body off life support?
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You might not agree with the cause that resulted in the death penalty, but surely you don't actually believe that people who receive the death penalty are doing so without cause.Self Defense, I would have to say no. Death penalty, yes because you took another's life without cause. Better to send the flesh to hell. Opinions or legal facts? I stated "my opinion."
You might not agree with the cause that resulted in the death penalty, but surely you don't actually believe that people who receive the death penalty are doing so without cause.
When I hear murder..... I think of gang violence.....a drunk driver killing an innocent bystander....armed robberies...and a host of other things....When I hear abortion, I think only of the termination of the unborn. Only them.You need to put forth a working definition of "murder". Then, we can look at the definition, and see what situations the term can be applied to. It isn't actually that difficult. Would you like to put forth a working definition of murder for us?
Yes, opinions on what is and isnt murder will vary from person to person. This is why have different terms (like abortion, self defense, execution, vehicular manslaughter etc..) to intelligently talk about each situation without having to alway ask for extra details.Self Defense, I would have to say no. Death penalty, yes because you took another's life without cause. Better to send the flesh to hell.
Opinions or legal facts? I stated "my opinion."
Have you never heard of cases of exoneration for people who were once on death row? Had they gone on the die, it would had been without cause.You might not agree with the cause that resulted in the death penalty, but surely you don't actually believe that people who receive the death penalty are doing so without cause.
Yes, opinions on what is and isnt murder will vary from person to person. This is why why have different terms (like abortion, self defense, execution, vehicular manslaughter etc..) to intelligently talk about each situation without having to alway ask for extra details.
There is nothing wrong with calling abortion, abortion.
When people, like me, use abortion in these threads, we are stating the legal definition, without personal opinions and feelings added.
I disagree. Abortion is a term created to describe the termination of an unborn child...and is unrelated to the legality of the act. It will be considered abortion, whether or not it is legal to do it.....and whether or not i, personally, liken it to murder.I agree legally abortion is abortion if it is legal in that state. If it isn't its a form of murder. Even that can be argued because then its a legal matter of when life begins.
I have not met one person who was for abortion. Have you?personally, I'm against abortion.
This isn't a state but when I was in the army I became pregnant with my 1st child. The post I was stationed at had some crude ranking leaders there and they would order me to perform things that were harmful to me and the baby...my husband came and spoke with company commander and informed him that the child I was carrying was a ward of the government because of her native heritage and that if any harm came to her the Pawnee Nation would bring charges against them.Proof of this please. I am a lawyer and I have never heard of a state having jurisdiction simply because a child was conceived there.
I disagree. Abortion is a term created to describe the termination of an unborn child...and is unrelated to the legality of the act. It will be considered abortion, whether or not it is legal to do it.....and whether or not i, personally, liken it to murder.
I have not met one person who was for abortion. Have you?
DO you feel that those who prefer to use the legal term, so that the topic of conversation is understood, are for abortion?
Then what do you call the premeditated killing of a human life?
Well done.The advantage the poster is considering for the baby by being considered a citizen at conception is that no one would have the right to kill it before it was born. The problem with the argument the OP is proposing does not are rise form the fact babies die before they are born it arises from the fact that we cannot legally murder non citizens any more than we can legally murder citizens. Therefore it is not a lack of citizenship that is the basis for abortion being legal.
Actually he is pro abortion and believes only life is protected after birth.The advantage the poster is considering for the baby by being considered a citizen at conception is that no one would have the right to kill it before it was born. The problem with the argument the OP is proposing does not are rise form the fact babies die before they are born it arises from the fact that we cannot legally murder non citizens any more than we can legally murder citizens. Therefore it is not a lack of citizenship that is the basis for abortion being legal.
Is not the execution of a person for crime committed, the "premeditated killing of a human life?"This is a very valid point.
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