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If Jesus implies in Matthew 12:46-50 that true family is not based on genes, how does this square with needing to be a descendant of the Hebrew kings?

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I agree with the verses, but doesn't it kind of challenge the necessity of needing to be born in important royal lineages?
Jesus talks about the spiritual family. Those who love and obey God, are His family, His Heavenly family
 
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I agree with the verses, but doesn't it kind of challenge the necessity of needing to be born in important royal lineages?
The Kingdom of God is made of His Flock, also known as His family. All are equal and there is no earthly royal lineage continued in the New Jerusalem.
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Being a descendant of kings was a necessary earthly qualification for Jesus to be the Messiah, but his spiritual family is open to all who follow God's will.

Spiritual vs. biological family

  • Spiritual family:
    Jesus teaches that those who do the will of God are His true spiritual family, including His brother, sister, and mother. This new familial bond is based on faith and obedience, not blood.

  • Biological family:
    Jesus did not disown his earthly family. Instead, he further defined family ... inclusive of all who follow God.


    • Jesus's Jewish lineage from the tribe of Judah was a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, such as those in Genesis and Isaiah.
    • While Jesus was Jewish, his mission was for all people, not just Jews.

    • He came to fulfill the Old Testament law and to make it possible for both Jews and Gentiles to have a relationship with God through faith in him.

    • By being a Jew, Jesus provided a way for Gentiles to be "grafted into" God's covenant through faith in him, demonstrating that salvation was not limited to one ethnic group.

 
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Jesus's Jewish lineage from the tribe of Judah was a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, such as those in Genesis and Isaiah.
This, I would say, answers your question in the title of this thread.

God used the Jewish people to bring Jesus to this earth through the virgin body of Mary. The Bible prophesies that the Messiah Jesus would come through Jews, specifically through the line of King David.

However . . . now we have identity which is not connected with our physical bodies > in Jesus >

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)
 
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